Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/05/25
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Absolutely right - what concerns Rumsfeld and the White House is not the acts, but the recording of the acts and the dissemination of the recordings-photos. -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Slobodan Dimitrov Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 11:38 AM To: Leica Users Group Subject: Re: [Leica] Susan Sontag on Iraq Photos I wonder when they'll get to the part about the (Military) Uniform Code's restriction of keeping diaries? It seems that the concern in this case is more about getting caught at it than any breakdown of civility. The images are more in line of trophy photos than souvenir. S. Dimitrov > From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> > Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 10:37:08 -0400 > To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org> > Subject: RE: [Leica] Susan Sontag on Iraq Photos > > Absolutely true...For all her pedantic, bs, far-left-wing driveling, > Sontag's writings always remind me of the joke about the kid whose > parents find him shoveling madly into a pile of horse manure on Xmas > morning...."With all this horse shit," he explains, "there must be a > pony." And there are ponies in Sontag's horse shit: 1. Things are not > "real" until they are photographed; 2. Photographs are "reality;" > 3. The Iraq prison photos are souvenir photos much like the photos of > Southern lynchings, in which the participants are proudly grinning for > the camera - no guilt, no shame; rather, pride; > 4. War photography up until now has been the province of "war > photographers," but now every GI has a camera, and records his or her > fun times, hellish times, and work as a torturer. > > B. D. > > -----Original Message----- > From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org > [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf > Of Raimo K > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:00 AM > To: Leica Users Group > Subject: Re: [Leica] Susan Sontag on Iraq Photos > > > Yeah, but think about the power of photography! > The images depict the kind of American culture that US military and > police organisations and CIA has been teaching all along in the > non-anti-American dictatorships for ages, in Latin America, in > South-East Asia, in Africa - probably many of Saddam Hussein?s polices > were also trained by US agencies - and nobody took any notice until > the pictures became public. Photography has power! All the best! Raimo > K Personal photography homepage at: > http:\\www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Slobodan Dimitrov" <s.dimitrov@charter.net> > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org> > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 4:08 AM > Subject: Re: [Leica] Susan Sontag on Iraq Photos > > >> And yet, how much of it is just plain Sontag. Being one of the New >> World Order's original pied-pipers, I can bet that there won't any >> soul > searching >> on her part. >> Thankfully her petard has just about run its historical course. This >> piece of taffy reads more like the kind of press release DoD wished >> it > >> could do. It reads, somewhat, as though from another time, when there >> existed a > kind >> of intellectual golem, nationally and internationally, which another >> Federal agency was able to garner in its camp during the Cold War's > culture >> wars. >> S. Dimitrov >> >> >> >>> From: Tina Manley <images@InfoAve.Net> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> >>> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:57:09 -0400 >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Susan Sontag on Iraq Photos >>> >>> At 12:11 PM 5/24/2004 -0400, you wrote: >>>> Cover story in yesterday's NYT Magazine entitled The Photographs >>>> Are > Us. >>>> It is much more a piece about the U.S., Iraq and torture than about > >>>> photography, but she makes some interesting observations about the >>>> photos. Similarly, Sarah Boxer had a Times column yesterday on the >>>> same subject. >>> >>> I kept hoping that the photos would be revealed to be hoaxes like >>> the > ones >>> of the British soldiers. I guess I have too much faith in the >>> ultimate humanity of most people to believe that such things >>> actually happen. We need to know about it when it happens but I am >>> so tired of hearing of nothing but how horrible we all are. It's >>> time for me to go to Honduras with a medical brigade and renew my >>> faith in humanity. >>> >>> Tina >>> >>> >>> Tina Manley, ASMP >>> www.tinamanley.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information