Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/04/12

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Subject: [Leica] a new one
From: philippe.orlent at (Philippe Orlent)
Date: Mon Apr 12 12:41:13 2004

I made the ashtray series. And I smoke.
And I know smoking kills. And you don't have to try to convince me to stop.
However, when I smoke, and if in presence of others, I always ask if it
bothers them. And if it does, I just don't smoke. Even if this implies not
smoking in my own home, having a non-smoking wife and kids with unspoiled
lungs. It's not because I have a habit that I have to confront others
-beloved ones or not- with it.
But going as far as banning it (and thus -logically- all other soft, hard,
medium, kinda, possible,... drugs) seems one bridge too far for me: I
strongly believe in encouraging people to take their own responsabilities.

Philippe A. Orlent

> From: "Jeffery Smith" <>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <>
> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 09:13:57 -0500
> To: "'Leica Users Group'" <>
> Subject: RE: [Leica] a new one
> I vote for banning. Then we can focus our attention on us instead of
> meddling in everyone else's affairs. Dubya was (is) an alcoholic. Who
> better to lead the charge than a recovering alcoholic?
> Jeffery Smith
> New Orleans, LA
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [] On Behalf Of animal
> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 7:16 AM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] a new one
> Banning some drugs does not make any sense as long as alcoholic drinks
> are
> legal.
> There is no doubt whatsoever that alcohol causes more harm then all
> others
> combined.
> Also find it odd  people here who can openly smoke a joint  would end up
> in
> jail in the USA.
> simon jessurun
> amsterdam
> the netherlands
>> I would legalise all or ban all drugs. Prohibition, and the continued
>> import and wealth of illegal drug dealers, prove that making something
>> illegal does not stop people doing it - particularly if they like it.
>> Hunting rare cats stopped only when it became unfashionable to wear
>> their fur, not by campaigns telling people not to do it.
>> The anti narcotics antics of governments are pointless as long as
> there
>> is demand - there will be supply, only the price will change.
>> The problem with smoking is the smell. I like lots of smokers. The
>> problem is that a smoking area in a room is about as effective as a
>> pissing area in a swimming pool - sooner or later everybody gets it.
>> Frank
>> On 11 Apr 2004, at 11:14, Sam wrote:
>>> My motto is "Smoke 'till ya choke." The problem is that the
>>> thought/action/don't-even-think-it police are out of control. In NYC
> a
>>> shop owner does not have the right to allow smoking, even if it's a
>>> tavern.
>>> B.D.'s statement that if we allow one drug (smoking) we must allow
> all
>>> drugs is not well thought out. I wonder why he did not use alcohol
> as
>>> his example (hiccup!). Certainly alcohol kills more innocent people
>>> than smoking.
>>> I like smokers. These flawed human beings are a breath of fresh air
>>> :)  in relation to the self-indulgent, imposing jackasses who are
>>> always busy getting other people to do something they don't want to
>>> do, or to not do something they want to do.
>>> Happy Easter, Passover--
>>> Sam S
>>> Tina Manley wrote:
>>>> At 07:12 PM 4/6/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>>>>> Face it - people who smoke are drug addicts. And unless you favor
> the
>>>>> legalization of all currently illegal narcotic substances, you're
>>>>> being
>>>>> a hypocrite to whine about smoker's rights and the 'persecution'
> of
>>>>> smokers.
>>>>> B. D.
>>>> I'm back after a week in Kentucky.  There seem to be more die-hard
>>>> smokers in Kentucky (where lots of tobacco is grown) than even in
>>>> North Carolina (where all of the tobacco companies are based).  We
>>>> stopped at one antique store that had a prominent sign outside
>>>> "Smokers Welcome!"  I knew I shouldn't have gone in, but my husband
>>>> was looking for antique light fixtures.  As soon as we walked in my
>>>> sinuses plugged up and I got a headache.  There is no way I would
>>>> have bought anything in that store.  There were several books I
> would
>>>> have been interested in, but they were infused with the smell of
>>>> stale smoke.  There is no way to get that smell out of books.
>>>> Smokers have the freedom to smoke in their own homes and stores and
> I
>>>> have the right to refuse to buy anything they are selling.
>>>> Tina
>>>> Tina Manley, ASMP
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