Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/03/28

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Subject: [Leica] More RD-1 news
From: Jim at hemenway.com (Jim Hemenway)
Date: Sun Mar 28 06:12:23 2004
References: <002901c414cb$05a14c30$6401a8c0@CCA4A5EF37E11E> <4066F5C5.4050602@aol.com>

Amen to that!  B&W, (Plus-X) is all that I could afford 35+ years ago... 
I don't think that I've used it since.

Jim - http://www.hemenway.com



Sonny Carter wrote:
> hmmm, there's an idea that makes me want to hit the snooze button on the 
> alarm and roll over!  A BW only digital camera!  Seems an absolutly dumb 
> idea to pay for features you don't get.
> 
> There was a time when I could only afford Black and white photography. 
> I lived in Germany, and maybe three times a year, I would invest in a 
> roll of Kodachrome, usually when we were going off to Switzerland.  What 
> a luxury! Color!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> B. D. Colen wrote on 3/28/2004, 5:46 AM:
> 
>  > And notice how quickly the Kodak camera disappeared - in fact, did it
>  > ever actually make it to market? It was to have an 18 megp grayscale
>  > image...the idea was really exciting...but...
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
>  > [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
>  > Henning Wulff
>  > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 4:51 PM
>  > To: Leica Users Group
>  > Subject: RE: [Leica] More RD-1 news
>  >
>  >
>  > At 12:46 PM -0800 3/27/04, Adam Bridge wrote:
>  > >On Saturday, March 27, 2004 B. D. Colen thoughtfully wrote:
>  > >
>  > >>First off, one of the glories of digital is that every single shot is
>  > >>both color and monochrome. ;-) Second off, it should be possible to
>  > >>have the monochrome option in the firmware. If they develop the write
>  > >>algorithms, having the b&w, bw-green, bw-red, bw-yellow  built into
>  > >>the camera could be wonderful. Carry around a pile of filters? Why?
>  > >
>  > >Aaaaaarrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhh!
>  > >
>  > >NO, B. D., it's NOT the same. Because IF you're not shooting onto a
>  > >color sensor
>  > >you can either have MORE sensors for a higher pixel density OR you can
>  > larger
>  > >sensors for a better signal:noise ratio. Otherwise you're letting the
>  > firmware
>  > >of the camera play Hobb by attempting to make a monochrome image from
>  > various
>  > >parts of red and green and blue.
>  >
>  > When Kodak did their B&W digital camera, the advantages weren't all
>  > that great over colour cameras. What has changed since then?
>  >
>  > >It's not the same thing at all. Why shoot with black and white film
>  > >at all then?
>  > >Why not just shoot color? But we DO shoot black and white. But even
>  > this isn't
>  > >as great a difference as between a digital color and a digital
>  > monochrome
>  > >sensor.
>  > >
>  > >When the color sensors are of sufficient density and the SNR is up to
>  > >par then I'll relax this. But it's damn clear that Leica ain't likely
>  > >to have access to anything that's remotely close.
>  > >
>  > >So why shouldn't I ask for something that makes a lot of sense?
>  > >Using an M to me
>  > >means shooting in available light without flash. And all those
>  > fabulously
>  > >expensive pieces of glass that Leica makes are there to make it even
>  > more
>  > >possible.
>  > >
>  > >So why shouldn't Leica make a camera that exploits these features
>  > >like no other
>  > >camera can - that uses all the system's capabilities so that, by
>  > >golly, you can
>  > >shoot at ASA 3200 or even higher and  have a SNR like that of the best
>  > current
>  > >cameras at, say 1600 (thinking of 1Ds and its CMOS sensor).
>  > >
>  > >Leica is a niche market. If they can figure out how to deal with the
>  > >process in
>  > >order to make it happen then there will be a reason to consider
>  > investing in
>  > >Leica.
>  > >
>  > >We're seeing an increase in interest in black and white portraiture.
>  > >Why not a camera that does it superbly?
>  > >
>  > >Adam Bridge
>  > >
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>  >
>  >
>  > --
>  >     *            Henning J. Wulff
>  >    /|\      Wulff Photography & Design
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