Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/03/14
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]What I can't figure out, Simon, is whether your goal is to produce what are to you meaningful - in either a personal or artistic way- photographic images of people and/or places and things, or whether your goal is simply to produce images that are technically "sharp" and "detail" filled. Because when you say that you are now convinced that striving "for very fine resolution in the kind of photos we tend to take is a bit futile, so for that kind of stuff you got me firmly hooked on large format equipment," I have to wonder why you're photographing in the first place. It's one thing if you're doing technical work, or if photo-micrographs are your thing. But beyond that, I would suggest that your, uh, focus is on the wrong thing. (And I'm not talking about film v digital at the moment - I'm talking about what the purpose of photography is.) B. D. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of animal Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 5:37 AM To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: Re: [Leica] Steve Gandy's update on the digital bessa Thanks for your reply .Hope that i expressed it right but what i ment was ,it would be nice to have a crop of the sharpest bits and look at the actual pixel,s. Apart from a lack of grain the small sized files one can see compare unfavorably with scannes from velvia slides here. Hope that explained it better. best regards simon jessurun p.s. you have convinced me in our correspondence that to strive for very fine resolution in the kind of photos we tend to take is a bit futile.So for that kind of stuff you got me firmly hooked on large format equipment.Hopefully this summer i,ll have time to learn some old fashioned contact printing processes. But to trade anything for small digicams is not worth the effort for me. To review 35mm slides on a light table and have the occasional ones scanned professionally is still a lot cheaper then to buy a 10 mp camera now. I understand that for you pros with your much larger number of shots ypou need to present the time saving of digital is worth the investment for me it isn,t and also I just like to use fim better andmore and more get comments like wow you did that with a 50 year old steamengine,well things like that > Well, Simon, the upscaled Pixel crop is 17 meg, so that is a bit > impractical. It is, btw, anything but soft - which is why I didn't > sharpen it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of animal > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 6:10 PM > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > Subject: Re: [Leica] Steve Gandy's update on the digital bessa > > > With the file size displayed I fail to see your point B.D. still it > looks a bit soft .Would you share a larger version or an actual pixel > crop? simon jessurun > > > > :-) > > Speaking of disclaimers....Enough of the film v digital bs. Go look > > at > > > http://www.leica-gallery.net/bdcolen/image-62369.html > > And > > http://www.leica-gallery.net/bdcolen/image-62368.html > > The image was shot at 200 iso, using the Olympus E-1 with the 50 > > macro > > > f 2 - 100 mm 35 mm equiv - set at f 2.5. The original file is 14.7 > > meg. The cropped image, which is what, about 1/3 of the original, > > was upsized using nothing but photoshop, setting it for 110% each > > time, until I had a 17 meg file of the cropped area. Then I set my > > size to 8x5 at 72 dpi, did a similar, slight dodge of the boy's and > > father's face on each image, put borders on them, and uploaded them > > with NO sharpening. And btw, the camera is set to not sharpen. > > > > So if you want to use film, more power to you. If not... :-) > > > > B. D. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of > > Jeffery Smith > > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 5:26 PM > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > Subject: RE: [Leica] Steve Gandy's update on the digital bessa > > > > > > BD > > > > Attach a wav file with that really fast-talking dude who gives all > > the > > > disclaimers before used car ads on the radio. [I hope he isn't only > > down here). > > > > Jeffery Smith > > New Orleans, LA > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of B. D. > > Colen > > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 4:02 PM > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > Subject: RE: [Leica] Steve Gandy's update on the digital bessa > > > > Yup. But Phong, do you want a disclaimer with every friggin' post? I > > hardly make a secret of my Olympus ties...:-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Daniel > > Ridings > > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 12:57 AM > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > Subject: RE: [Leica] Steve Gandy's update on the digital bessa > > > > > > I've got some ties from various universities. I suspect BD does too > > :) > > > > The only tie I have with Olympus is that I bought one for my wife a > > few years back and it keeps delivering pictures of incredible > > quality (always with Fujicolor 800 in it). > > > > Anyway, when something costs 1/3 as much and is still comparable if > > not outright better, then it must feel _good_ to have ties to the > > better alternative. Like choosing the right horse to bet on :) > > > > Daniel > > > > On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Phong wrote: > > > > > There you go again B.D.. > > > You forgot to mention your Olympus ties. > > > Bad, B.D., bad. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > - Phong > > > > > > [ I am waiting for a Rabiner tie-in] > > > > > > > > > B. D. Colen wrote: > > > > > > > > And costs less than 1/3 of what an D2 does... :-) > > > > > > > Daniel Ridings wrote: > > > > > > > > The Olympus C-5050 is a little faster :) (f1.8) > > > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, see > > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html