Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/02/04

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Subject: Re: [Leica] digital in low light
From: sam <sam@osheaven.net>
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 13:10:23 -0500
References: <Pine.SOL.4.58-L.0402031754150.22831@hedvig.uio.no> <5.2.0.9.2.20040203103252.0253ee40@mail.infoave.net> <093E50AF-558F-11D8-8FF8-000A958F513A@jphotog.com> <152.29b08df6.2d4d03bc@aol.com> <00cd01c3e84d$f159b5e0$388a8418@symkeehx5nw8g8> <401C561E.4020704@wanadoo.nl> <11931990-5464-11D8-89A9-0050E42E6E0B@shaw.ca> <1075607857.18186.47.camel@creo_pc3> <401D1620.5030606@osheaven.net> <EBDBB269-54D1-11D8-8FF8-000A958F513A@jphotog.com> <401DFA7C.5020205@osheaven.net> <093E50AF-558F-11D8-8FF8-000A958F513A@jphotog.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20040203103252.0253ee40@mail.infoave.net> <5.2.0.9.2.20040204120521.02565488@mail.infoave.net>

Let me see if I understand this. Using these two images as examples 
because they show the most difference:

Unprocessed

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2104452


Processed

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2104453


The filter appears to work by lightening the underexposed areas in the 
highlights, which makes sense because, like film, if there is no 
information present, there is nothing to enhance. On my monitor, the 
processed image seems to show more underexposure artifacts. If this were 
film, I would give the unprocessed image about three stops more 
exposure, which would clear up most of the noise. It's maybe not 
technically correct to call it noise on film, but we are not really 
talking about normal grain, but grain due to underexposure. The fix 
would be to add exposure. I think in many cases the problem would be 
that the meter could not take into account reciprocity failure.

With digital, could noise be helped by giving more exposure so that 
effectively the scene is being less underexposed?

Sam S



Tina Manley wrote:
> At 05:44 PM 2/3/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> 
>>> I don't mind the noise/grain as long as it gets me there. Tina, if you
>>> ever get a moment to spare, could you fire off a shot at the "expansion"
>>> level. I'm not afraid of the noise at all, I would just like to see 
>>> how it
>>> looks.
>>>
>>> Daniel
> 
> 
> My computer is slow as molasses this morning!  I think it's time to 
> defragment.
> 
> I put up 4 photos that I took last night at 3200.  Each one is shown 
> first as it was converted from Raw with no other processing and then 
> after applying the PhotoKit Noise Reduction filter at the lowest setting.
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=373131        Last two 
> rows of photos.
> 
> They are pretty noisy, but it is 3200 after all, and it was very dark!
> 
> Tina
> 
> 
> Tina Manley, ASMP
> www.tinamanley.com
> 
> 
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