Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/11/07

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Subject: Re: [Leica] some new snaps, a propos
From: "Slobodan Dimitrov" <>
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:58:26 -0800

Having covered Labor for more than a dozen years now, I see the same 
ritualistic formalism to their events. I can never get the perception out of
mind on how choreographed much of it is.
Slobodan Dimitrov

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>From: "Rob Appleby" <>
>To: <>
>Subject: Re: [Leica] some new snaps, a propos
>Date: Fri, Nov 7, 2003, 1:32 AM

> I don't think that was exactly the point I was making, but anyway.
> After spending quite a while in Palestine over the last couple of years, I
> began to see the whole thing as largely a show, in which the soldiers,
> palestinian civilians, settlers and even the media play their parts. But by
> this I don't mean anything as crude as that they consciously set up
> situations. I think you have to have seen the way stonethrowing, curfew,
> stopping kids going to school etc etc works, to appreciate the ritualistic,
> theatrical atmosphere of the whole, and this is what interests me and what I
> am trying to express in these images. The particular presentation is
> intended to emphasise the pictureness of the pictures, so to speak.
> -- Rob
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Welch" <>
> To: "Leicalist" <>
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] some new snaps, a propos
>> I don't see any proof that those things happened because the photographers
>> were there.
>> Or even that those are real photojournalists. I guess it's up to our trust
>> in your credibility that the photos you show the world portray what you
>> claim they do.
>> How can I believe them when you have an obvious agenda to prove that point
>> (that photographers influence anything they photograph), and you admit you
>> are willing to manipulate situations to say what you want, regardless of
>> whether the photos reflect reality or not? According to you, it makes no
>> difference.
>> Based on your arguments, I don't buy it. If those are real photographers I
>> have no reason to believe the situations they were covering wouldn't have
>> happened if they were there or not.
>> You say so? Well, excuse me for being skeptical anyway.
>> on 11/6/03 11:20 PM, Rob Appleby at wrote:
>> > Anyway, I have been meditating on all these issues quite a bit over the
> last
>> > year, and one of my major concerns now in my work is to show the
> distorting
>> > effect of the media and to integrate the presence of the photographer
> into
>> > the image. A first attempt at such:
>> >
>> >
>> Eric Welch
>> Carlsbad, CA
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