Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/10/30

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Subject: Re: [Leica] something something and now animals
From: John Collier <>
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:06:43 -0700

I do not disagree but these same operations are insignificant in 
prolonging the general population's life span. Simple things like 
proper diet and potable water have a huge effect on prolonging the 
general population's life span.

John Collier

On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 02:34 PM, Barney Quinn wrote:

> John,
> I don't know if I understand what you are trying to say. There 
> certainly
> are operations which will prolong one's life. Ask a cancer or heart
> patient. And, serious disease, like blindness can most certainly 
> shorten
> ones life in a number of ways which range from making one more accident
> prone, more subject to opportunistic diseases, to destroying ones will 
> to
> live. I think that your analysis vastly underestimates the pernicious
> effects that chronic illness has on people.
> Barney
> John Collier wrote:
>> This is the classic misperception. That one or another operation will
>> make us live longer. It may improve your quality of life but it will
>> have little effect on how long you live. You imply that being blind
>> will prevent you from functioning in society. I would agree with the
>> proviso that you say "as I do now". Many people function perfectly 
>> well
>> in society with a wide variety of conditions that "normal" people
>> consider catastrophic.
>> John Collier
>> On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 12:41 PM, Barney Quinn wrote:
>>>> It is an opening into the broader debate of what consciousness and
>>>> intelligence are. Should other "lesser" organisms be sacrificed to
>>>> marginally improve our life span* (and looks)?
>>> Marginally improve my life span? I have very serious eye disease. I
>>> have had
>>> five operations. I may well need a sixth early next year. If it
>>> weren't for
>>> the modern, miracle medicinesand techniques which have been developed
>>> in part
>>> with animal research I would be blind, unale to support myself, and a
>>> burden
>>> to society. I am eternally greatful there there are doctors and
>>> scientists
>>> who have been willing to devote their lives to trying to help people
>>> with
>>> very real medical problems.
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