Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/10/21
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Chris, I certainly have been guilty of hiding behind a camera. And, I have been guilty of over-doing it, too. My wife and familly, on the one hand, are more than egar to have me shoot the grandkids, yet are the first to say that my grandchildren have to make it to at least three or four before they can tell my face from a camera! There are times when i put my camera down, too. What usually does it for me is a funeral. A lot of people these days seem to be shooting viewings and wakes. That's fine, but I can't do it. I'd rather have those last moments with nothing between me and the person. The birth of one of your children is very highly emotional moment, and if you mean emotion on that scale I agree. Most photographers aren't emotionally involved. But, I think in another sense you do end up getting emotionally involved. Things like pride of authorship, I created it don't touch it, and so forth do end up coming into play. That's more what I was taking emotional involvement to mean, and I do think it can cloud your judgment. It happens to me, anyway. Barney On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 06:23 PM, Saganich, Christopher/Medical Physics wrote: > Barney, > > Indeed, although I agree with Ted, cropping is a basic skill which can > separates great work from mediocrity. The viewfinder is meaningless, > only what your attempting to convey has any relevance. Being > emotionally involved is a benefit if you can really identify with the > emotion. I believe most photographers aren't emotionally involved. I > such cases I tend to put my camera down so I can really experience the > moment. For example I was all ready to photograph the birth of my > daughter, when the time came I consciously chose not to hide behind > the camera. I don't regret that for a minute. I'm on a tangent... > > Chris Saganich > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Barney > Quinn > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 5:43 PM > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > Subject: Re: [Leica] to crop or not to crop > > > Chris, > > I think this is why editors exist. A bad editor is a living nightmear. > A good one can make you look like a genius. Each of us is emotionally > involved with our work. ( If you aren't then why did you push the > shutter release in the first place? ) This involvement makes it very, > very difficult to see and edit your own stuff. You really need what > amounts to an opjective, non-involved surgeon to cut and cut and cut. > > Barney > > "Saganich, Christopher/Medical Physics" wrote: > >> Cropping should be used to add emphasis on the subject. In the St. >> Catherine's photo there isn't any relevant information to the right >> so it should be cropped out which will keep the eye on the face and >> emphasize the motion. That said, almost all my photos need cropping, >> but I seem never to do it. I have no problem editing other peoples >> work. >> >> Chris Saganich >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Phong >> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:27 PM >> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >> Subject: RE: [Leica] to crop or not to crop >> >> Liam, >> >> I confess - I crop. I do it daily. One of >> the first thing I do when I look at my photos, >> (and others too!) is to see if a crop improves >> the image. >> >> When I take the pictures, I do the best I can >> to compose in the viewfinder. When I get home, >> I crop as necessary to get the best images out >> of the negatives or digital files. >> >> By the way, you got quick reaction ! >> http://www.leica-gallery.net/getcloser/image-54392.html >> And I did try to crop, but could not improve the image. >> >> Cheers, >> >> - Phong >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >>> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Liam >>> Maloney >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:30 PM >>> To: leica-users-digest@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >>> Subject: [Leica] to crop or not to crop >>> >>> >>> I confess - I hate cropping my photos. In fact, I >>> almost never do it. I know, I know, I'll never make it >>> as a photographer if I don't crop - I just don't like >>> doing it. I have this idea that cropping somehow takes >>> away from the purity of the moment I captured in the >>> viewfinder. More sensible people would look at my work >>> and find a way to crop (and improve)every single image >>> in my portfolio. But I argue that a good photographer >>> learns to get better by printing full frame. >>> >>> Anyone else feel this way? >>> >>> FWIW, I haven't decided which version of Steve's ICU >>> photo I like better. Full frame as a part of a picture >>> story, cropped as a single image, I think. Nice work. >>> >>> -Liam >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> The New Yahoo! 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