Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/10/02

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Subject: RE: [Leica] Closest thing to a Digital M announced today!
From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:52:24 -0400

I'm not suggesting that an electronic viewfinder is bad at all - only
that it is not "M-like."

Also, if it's not a digital M in terms of form, function, and
interchangeable lenses, it's not a digital M.;-) What it may well be is
a terrific digital P&S with high-end capabilities, gussied up so that,
as Babble Fish so charmingly translates it, "it seems like silver salt
film camera. I guess it all comes down to what seems means, right?

As to size, though, Sonny, it sure looks clunkier than an M to me - but
I could be way off base...

B. D.


- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Sonny
Carter
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:20 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] Closest thing to a Digital M announced today!


BD opined:


> A very intriguing looking camera. I would however, have several 
> general questions - 1. Why a digital/electronic camera with a top 
> shutter speed of 1000th? Sure, we love our Ms, and the top speed is 
> 1000th, but that is a draw-back, not a plus.

I see 1/2000th on the wheel

> 2. Yes, the lens is designed by Leica, but the whole idea of a digital

> M would be to use the Leica glass we have and love - which this 
> wouldn't let us do.

That, doesn't work, as Msr. Brick and others have said.

> 3. It looks far bigger and bulkier than an M, which loses part of the 
> M appeal.

Size wise, the body appears to be about the same as my LC5, which is a
little narrower and a little taller than my M6.  I am judging by size
indicators like the flash shoe and logos.


> 4. If you're going to go for a pretty hefty digital at an undoubtedly 
> hefty price, why not go for a DSLR with interchangeable lenses?

Price is not indicated.  Probably would compete well in the sub $1k
range

>This
> doesn't appear to be a real rangefinder any more than the Contax G2 is

>a  real rangefinder - it's an auto/  "manual" focus digital with a 
>window to look through where you see what  you see on the screen.

We don't know that yet, it looks like it has an electronic internal
viewfinder besides the LCD.  Those of us who have shot professional
video and professional film know that's not all bad, and can give you a
better indication of the final product than a strictly optical VF can.
The electronic VF puts it more into the SLR catagory than rangefinder.


> 5. Why buy a more expensive version with a red-dot on it? Folks like 
> Sonny have shown us that not having the red dot doesn't degrade image 
> quality a bit.;-)

That is true, and I will likely stick to the LC version. and use the
money left over for more memory cards.
>
> All of that said, it is really good looking, and it is too bad that 
> Leica doesn't have this lens, as a click stop "zoom" for the M - 28 f 
> 2 to 10? F 4? Not bad.


>
> B. D.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Lucien
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:21 AM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Closest thing to a Digital M announced today!
>
>
>
> A really interesting picture of the new Pana-Leica M.
>
> http://www.photo.net/bboard/big-image?bboard_upload_id=14698684
>
> Manual zooming, and if wanted, manual focusing and manual aperture and

> speed settings.
>
> A 28-90 f2,0-2,4;Asph. designed by Leica...
>
> I wonder what will be the focusing help in manual focusing mode.
>
> Lucien
>
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