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Subject: Re: [Leica] re: gun balderdash & photos - Stalin and the Long March, (also Ancient Astronomy)
From: Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@pacbell.net>
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 18:53:35 -0700
References: <3.0.2.32.20030904212936.023b6ac0@pop.infionline.net> <3.0.2.32.20030904212936.023b6ac0@pop.infionline.net> <3.0.2.32.20030906200641.02221fe4@pop.infionline.net>

Marc

It was your friend Chiang that insisted that Stillwell not be
removed from his position. Doug went along with that.

Jerry

Marc James Small wrote:

> At 09:03 PM 9/4/03 -0600, Greg J. Lorenzo wrote:
> >Marc James Small wrote in part:
> >
> >>
> >>Now, to my knowledge, neither Ben Cartwright, General MacArthur, Chiang,
> >>nor "Uncle Joe" Stilwell
> >>
> >
> >Its "Vinegar Joe" Mark.
>
> Sorry, Greg, but you are wrong.  "Vinegar Joe" was an epithet applied by
> those who disliked him.  His own troops called him "Uncle Joe", an
> appellation he loved.  See Barbara Tuchman's magisterial STILWELL AND THE
> AMERICAN EXPERIENCE IN CHINA for discussion.
>
> Stilwell is a fascinating chap.  His two greatest boosters in the Army were
> Douglas MacArthur and George C Marshall, both of whom Stilwell, unique in
> the Army, called by their first names.  Stilwell was wasted in China:  it
> was Marshall's original intention to give him command of TORCH, and a
> European command headed by Stilwell would undoubtedly have been a bit
> crisper and less conflicted than it was under Eisenhower.
>
> Stilwell, also, ranks with McClellan as the greatest trainers the US Army
> has ever had.
>
> Marc
>
> msmall@infionline.net  FAX:  +540/343-7315
> Cha robh bąs fir gun ghrąs fir!
>
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Message from Marc James Small <msmall@infionline.net> (Re: [Leica] re: gun balderdash & photos - Stalin and the Long March, (also Ancient Astronomy))
Message from Marc James Small <msmall@infionline.net> (Re: [Leica] re: gun balderdash & photos - Stalin and the Long March, (also Ancient Astronomy))