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Subject: RE: [Leica] Digital Leica M
From: "Don Dory" <dorysrus@mindspring.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 20:18:53 -0400

B.D.
As in the past, amateurs or professional wannabees buy the vast majority
of pro stuff.  Example one would be the number of Nikon F's that have
come out of the closet.  Example two, to come on topic, how many
Noctilux's have been purchased by amateurs?  Example three would be the
number of Hasselblads that the professional class bought to take
snapshots with.

0.02

Don
dorysrus@mindspring.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of bdcolen
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 2:19 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: RE: [Leica] Digital Leica M

I don't think so. I would be willing to bet - though I don't know how
we'd prove this - that the bulk of Nikon D1H and D1x bodies, and Canon
EOS1D and EOSD1s bodies are being sold to pros, as are most of the Nikon
and Canon "pro" lenses, as opposed to the vast, vast majority of Leica
bodies. In fact, I would guess that the majority of F5s, and EOS1v
bodies also go to pros. Don't forget, unlike Leica, Nikon and Canon both
have extensive pro-am to total am bodies. They,in effect, have their own
Konica RF and Bessa R2 lines....;-)

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Greg J.
Lorenzo
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 2:42 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] Digital Leica M


bdcolen wrote:

>Very, very, very few working pros today are using Leica Ms. Most pros 
>do not buy it and do not use it. Period. This doesn't mean that there 
>aren't pros doing so, but they are NOT typical Leica buyers any more. 
>Ultimately, Larry is correct- the M is at the end of its development as

>a useful photographic instrument (but not at the end of its life as
>such.;-)) And it IS being marketed as a "piece of prestige photographic

>jewelry," and, I would hazard a guess, it is more frequently purchased 
>that way than it is as a serious photographic instrument by serious 
>photographers.
>
>  
>
I believe all that is written above applies to most, if not all, cameras

being sold today. Nothing new or novel in this.

Who buys the lions share of professional basketball shoes? Certainly not

pro basketball players. Footballs, kitchen equipment, barbecues, cars, 
motorcycles, etc., etc., etc..

Don't confuse how and why a product is marketed versus how its sold.

Regards,

Greg


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