Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/08/23
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]As I said, there is Porche and there is Porsche. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Lehrer" <jerryleh@pacbell.net> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [Leica] Digilux? > Sonny > > NO! That came from Porsche Design, an Austrian company run > by some of the same "famiglia". Has NOTHING to do with the > Porsche factory in Germany. > > That would be like stating that you owned the company that made > "Carters Little Liver Pills" (or is that before your time?) > > Jerry > > Sonny Carter wrote: > > > heh, there is Porsche and then there is Porsche. My VPR Matrix Computer > > monitor has "design by F.A. Porsche" inscribed on it; I'd doubt it came off > > a German assembly line. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jerry Lehrer" <jerryleh@pacbell.net> > > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 11:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Digilux? > > > > > Sonny > > > > > > Sounds just like the arguments we had in the Porsche world about > > > the "Porsche" 914, 924, and 944. My position was/ is "If it wasn't > > > made in the Porsche factory, it isn't a Porsche" Do you have any > > > problem with that? > > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > Sonny Carter wrote: > > > > > > > Larry, there's a lot of that going on in the world today. If you buy a > > > > Mazda truck, it will probably be built by Ford in Mexico with a German > > > > engine, and maybe a French Tranny. If you buy an Isuzu pickup truck, > > rest > > > > assured it was made by some us rednecks in Louisiana. > > > > > > > > Leica has been having P&S cameras made by Japanese companies (mostly > > > > Panasonic) for some years, and elements of the R cameras and some > > lenses > > > > were made in Japan by various manufacturers. > > > > > > > > I guess there's no answer your question of to what extent does Solms > > have to > > > > be involved to call it a Leica is purely hypothetical. There are some > > who > > > > say if it wasn't made in Wetzlar it is not a true Leica, but they would > > be > > > > discounting lots of nice Canadian made equipment. > > > > > > > > If we follow your line, some Noctiluxes were made by General Motors, > > because > > > > for a while they were the owners of the Midland plant where the > > light-sucker > > > > was made. > > > > > > > > 'tis a hard question with probably no answer, but I do consider my Lika > > > > Leica, Leica quality > > > > > > > > Sonny > > > > (who lived in Wetzlar, visited Solms, but has no actual Leica-made parts > > in > > > > his construction.) > > > > http://www.sonc.com > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <LRZeitlin@aol.com> > > > > To: <leica-users-digest@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 8:01 AM > > > > Subject: [Leica] Digilux? > > > > > > > > > Question: > > > > > > > > > > I know of at least four different cameras, made by two manufacturers, > > > > bearing > > > > > the name Leica Digilux. One series, the Fuji made Digiluxes, were > > simply > > > > the > > > > > cosmetically altered Fuji Finepix 1700, 1700 Zoom, and 4800 cameras. > > The > > > > other > > > > > is the Panasonic DC5 variation. With the Fuji cameras, Leica didn't > > even > > > > > claim responsibility for the lens. All they contributed was an > > expensive > > > > brochure > > > > > and the red Leica dot. Even the manual was printed in Japan. Leica > > claims > > > > to > > > > > have a hand in designing the Panasonic version but their touch seems > > very > > > > light > > > > > indeed. > > > > > > > > > > How much of an influence does Leica have to have in the design of a > > camera > > > > to > > > > > be truly regarded as a Leica? Does it make the lens? Does it make the > > > > body? > > > > > Does it simply lease the rights to the name? If the red dot falls off > > my > > > > (Fuji) > > > > > Leica Digilux Zoom, is it still a Leica? > > > > > > > > > > This is a question worthy of Philosophy 101. You know, like the famous > > > > broken > > > > > knife problem. If a knife blade breaks and you replace the blade, then > > the > > > > > handle breaks and you replace the handle, is it the same knife? > > > > > > > > > > Larry Z > > > > > -- > > > > > To unsubscribe, see > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > > > > -- > > > > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html