Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/08/23

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Subject: Re: [Leica] digitalrebel
From: "Greg J. Lorenzo" <gregj.lorenzo@shaw.ca>
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:02:41 -0600
References: <001301c36972$b637bc00$3e23fea9@ccasony01>

bdcolen wrote:

>Well, I may be missing something here, Gregie, but I don't see any
>contradiction in what I've written.
>
Your right. In most of your posts to the LUG (and some "totally" not on 
the LUG posts) lately your missing common decency and common sense.

> And I do not denigrate all things
>Leica - only Leicadolatory.
>
I suggest you reread what you write and the original posts that 
precipitated your post.

> If I wanted to denigrate all things Leica I
>wouldn't own and use the equipment.
>
Just what is your excuse then?

> I do find utterly ludicrous the myth
>that if something is manufactured by Leica it automatically:
>1. Is the best;
>2. Is the perfect solution for every photographic situation, or every
>photographer;
>3. Makes one a competent photographer.
>
Just who is it that is posting this utterly ludicrous myth on the Lug? I 
don't seem to be receiving these posts.

>
>If my believing that, and stating it in various ways, suggests to you
>that I denigrate all things Leica, you must assign far different
>meanings to words than I. Which is of course your right. :-)
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Yes, your the Lug's original Rebel Without a Cause, but in this role 
your also frequently the major reason (cause) many people new to this 
list flock elsewhere.

Regards,

Greg

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Greg J.
>Lorenzo
>Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 7:12 PM
>To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>Subject: Re: [Leica] digitalrebel
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>
>bdcolen in his ongoing desire to continually enlighten the rest of us 
>dimwits without B.D's "digital vision" wrote in part:
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>>Steve - You miss the point, and manage to be patronizing while missing 
>>it - as usual.;-)
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>>I have NOTHING against anyone being happy with what ever form of 
>>photographic equipment - from a Box Brownie to a gold-plated, ostrich 
>>skin-covered Leica MP meets their photographic needs. None what so 
>>ever.
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>>And I have never written anything suggesting that I do.
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>Now this explains it. Apparently you don't actually read what you write 
>before you post it to the list!
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>>I have also
>>repeatedly stated that I am still primarily using film in my own work, 
>>and understand that some people are not only loath to give up film, but
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>>may never - more power to you, Steve.
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>Yes, repeatedly. Always in a post to the list where your major theme is 
>to denigrate all things Leica.
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>>And I was not comparing the results obtainable with the latest 
>>generation of M lenses - results which are, when all is said and done, 
>>beyond the power of 99.9 percent of hand-held shooter to obtain ;-) - 
>>to digital results. What I am saying here is that it is utterly 
>>ludicrous for those who are using 40-50-60 year-old flare-prone, poorly
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>>coated lenses that when they were new were not considered the best 
>>available and now don't even compare in image quality to the lenses SLR
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>>manufactures sell as part of cheap packages, to be knocking digital 
>>quality.
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>Huh? Nothing patronizing about this statement.
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>>Again, just say "I love film." If someone loves using an III C,, or III
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>>F with a Summabeenobsoletefor50years or an 
>>Elmarcouldntproduceasharpimageswhenitcameoutoftheboxfivedecadesago, 
>>more power to them. But it sounds pretty silly for them to be knocking 
>>digital and digital cameras that in terms of pure lens and image 
>>quality are generations ahead of the equipment they're using.
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>Ditto!
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>>B. D.
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>>[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Steve 
>>LeHuray
>>Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:56 PM
>>To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>>Subject: Re: [Leica] digitalrebel
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>>B.D.Colen sings the same old song:
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>>>Again, if you're happy with film and your Rs, great - just as I am
>>>happy with my Ms and film for most of my serious work. But our 
>>>preferring film for some or all our work doesn't negate the truth 
>>>about where digital is now, or about the fact that many of those 
>>>blindly bashing the idea of going digital are using truly obsolete 
>>>equipment that produces subpar results - in fact that produces image 
>>>quality that can be bested by virtually any modern SLR using consumer 
>>>lenses, or, for that matter, can be bested by a Bessa R using Cosina 
>>>lenses costing less than $500. ;-)
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>>>B. D.
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>>B.D. -- you have been banging the same old drum for several years now. 
>>Please explain what you have against those people who are happy with 
>>their Leicas. OK, a new M7 costs about $2700. Is it worth it? Probably 
>>not. But apparently it is to many who are buying them. A new Porsche 
>>911 Carrera costs about $80,000. Is it worth it? Apparently so, they 
>>cannot keep up with the orders. Are digicams great and the wave of the 
>>future? Yes I think they are. But so what? There are 10s of thousands 
>>of people who love their Leicas and really do not need you making them 
>>feel about about liking something. So now on your 57th (Happy Birthday 
>>BTW), how about you moving on to some other crusade that is more 
>>meaningful to you and something more important than your constant and 
>>meaningless Leica bashing.
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>>Best regards,
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>>sl
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