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Subject: RE: [Leica] Leica vs. Digital: Our divided loyalties
From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:15:52 -0400

What we're debating here, Martin, are not facts, but opinions, personal
preferences. I use the Leica RFs because I like looking through a plate
glass window with the frame lines drawn on it - that reminds me to take
framing seriously. But I can, and do, shoot the same kinds of photos
with SLRs that I shoot with rangefinders. I certainly find the RF easier
to focus in low light, but then there's autofocus in all but the
absolutely lowest light, and while most people on this list constantly
say autofocus is undependable, I get the same hit ratio with my AF Nikon
F100 that I get with my Ms...

I would note that there are plenty of renowned documentary photographers
and PJs who do not use Leica RFs, and do just fine, thank you.

It all comes down to what floats your personal boat - if you do better
with the RF - use it. If you don't - don't use it.

B. D.

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Howard
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 6:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica vs. Digital: Our divided loyalties


Adam Bridge wrote:

> I think most of use seldom use more than what digital gives us. Do you
> put your
> M on a tripod to shoot or only shoot at 1/1000th? If you don't are you

> REALLY
> getting the full benefit of that Leica glass?

And BD Colen chimed in:

> For that matter, most of the iconic
> which have, over the decades, been shot with Leicas could just as
> easily
> be shot with any other brand of camera.

One of the main reasons for using Leica glass is that it mounts 
correctly on Leica rangefinder cameras.  One of the main reason for 
using Leica rangefinder cameras is that they allow you to take engage 
in a certain style of photography which is difficult at best, and 
impossible at worst, to do with any other kind of camera.  The quick, 
unintrusive, decisive moment, documentation of everyday life around you.

LF and MF can't do it (with the possible exception of TLRs in some 
cases).  SLRs are not much use either, often being too slow and even if 
they are not, looking through the VF of a zone-focussed SLR (with 
things potentially out of focus) is a disruptive experience.  Digital 
(with VERY few exceptions -- Casio ELIXIM [not zoom model] for example 
- -- but then you have quality issues) is faaar too slow for this.

A pre-focussed, pre-set (shutter speed & aperture) Leica rangefinder 
provides a combination of unintrusiveness, speed, and image quality 
which you are very hard pressed to match with any other system.  In 
doing so, it puts you in a mindset and makes you open to images that 
you would not see if you could not work in this way.

Arguments that unless you're bolting your M cameras onto heavy tripods 
and shoot at 1/1000s  at f/8 on EI 64 or your not using the full 
benefit of Leica glass entirely and completely misses the whole damn 
point of their existance in the first place.

M.

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