RE: [Leica] Re: Piezotone & bwguys

["Phong" <phong@doan-ltd.com>]

BenMarks, Will, Gilbert, Adam and others,

Thank you for your replies.  I also spent some time yesterday
checking out the Piezography newsgroup on yahoo, and am quite 
underwhelmed.  

Gilbert's suggestion to use a 1280 instead of a
3000 is a good one; I would have gone for a 3000 if the 
technology is more stable, as I believe the 3000 is a more 
solid printer.  The 1280 would serve my purpose for now,
and at least allow me to try Piezography at a lower cost.

I am unsure of what to do, and will probably wait for a while
until things get more settled.   I do have a portrait project
this summer that I want to print with Piezography.

Cheers,

- - Phong


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> BenMarks@aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 4:59 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: [Leica] Re: Piezotone & bwguys
> 
> 
> Phong:
> 
> I am no expert on this but here is what I know: The Piezotone 
> inks are Cone's "new and improved" inkset.  You can choose a 
> selenium hue or a neutral hue etc.  Some folks who started out 
> with the PiezophotographyBW inks and then switched to Piezotone 
> had trouble with print heads clogging (and subsequent banding) 
> because of the way that the two inksets reacted in a given 
> printer's ink feed lines.  Cone sells a set of carts filled with 
> cleaning fluid to flush the lines of a printer when switching 
> between the older inkset and the newer.
> 
> As for why they continue to refer to the discontinued process, 
> your guess is as good as mine.  Maybe they are slow to update the 
> site, or maybe as far as the software end of things goes 
> (profiles and workarounds for the Epson drivers) it doesn't 
> matter which inks you use. This is rank speculation as I am out 
> of my league here.  I happen to like the old inks, had been happy 
> with my results and stocked up on the ink when it was deeply 
> discounted by inkjetmall.  Thus I have not had any problems 
> associated with switching over (it ain't broke and I am trying 
> not to fix it, if you know what I mean).
> 
> Some users also were unhappy with the way that the old 
> PiezophotographyBW inks "set" on certain papers.  On the paper I 
> use, prints warm over the first day or two and stabalize at a 
> nice warm tone with good blacks (looks similar to platinum to my 
> eye).  Once the prints go through this process, my experience has 
> been that the prints are very stable.  I have prints hanging in 
> my home, unmatted, behind glass which are going on two years old 
> and which look great.  Not so for the prints made with Epson's 
> black ink.  Fading was noticable after several months and some 
> prints have degraded so much that they are just a waste of 
> storage space.  Note that Epson's inks are (as I beleive Tina 
> mentioned) dye-based rather than pigment based.
> 
> >I am trying to make sense of the situation with Piezography
> >now that the original company is split into inkjetmall.com
> >and bwguys.com, neither of whose website is particularly well
> >designed to provide information about their product offerings.
> 
> >Inkjetmall claims that the new PiezoTone inks is not compatible
> >with the discontinued PiezographyBW inks, and yet contiune to
> >refer to PiezographyBW throuhgout their website.
> 
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