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Subject: Re: [Leica] 21mm Skopar opinion(s) please
From: Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@pacbell.net>
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 13:51:58 -0800
References: <FBC7B75B-4F4B-11D7-ADB1-0050E42E6E0B@shaw.ca>

John

OOPS!  You are right.  I erroneously thought that the entire discussion
was on 21mm lenses, and read no further.  The 28mm appellation came
out of left field.

My apologies are extended to you and to S. Gandy.

I am now trying to find the Gandy reference to the 21mm f2.8.

Jerry

John Collier wrote:

> Jerry,
>
> Hmm, could you please read my post again? I mention three lenses not
> one of which is the 21/2.8 Elmarit. The 21/2.8 Elmarit is indeed a
> retrofocus lens and works as well as can be expected on the M5, CL and
> M6/7 cameras. Possibly this is the phrase that has you a bit confused:
>
> "... and the first version of the 28/2.8..."
>
> Please note that the focal length of the lens is pronounced "twenty
> eight"
>
> I hope this helps. Please feel free to offer up any constructive
> criticism of my posts as that way I can learn more. I would, however,
> appreciate it if you took the time to read the post first.
>
> John Collier
>
> On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:48 AM, Jerry Lehrer wrote:
>
> > John
> >
> > Are you actually saying that the first version of the 21mm f2.8
> > Elmarit was NOT a retrofocus lens, and thus would foul the
> > meter on a CL?  I have one of the earliest ones of that lens,
> > though it is beat up and has a scarred mount, it IS retrofocus
> > and I use it regularly on my CL.
> >
> > Please explain why you said that. Do you know more about
> > it than Laney and Putz?
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > John Collier wrote:
> >
> >> The 21/4 SA,  the 21/3.4 SA and the first version of the 28/2.8 all
> >> have large protruding rear elements that will either partially block
> >> the metering cell of the M6 cameras or physically block the metering
> >> cell of the CL and M5. If you use the any of the above lenses on a M5
> >> or CL, the lens mount has to be modified otherwise the meter cell arm
> >> will be broken. The later 21/3.4 SA came with the mount modified. On
> >> the M6, the lenses give readings about three stops too low. It is
> >> possible to modify the lens so that it is with a 1/3 stop or so. This
> >> URL has the details:
> >>
> >> http://www.jumboprawn.net/jesse/angulon_mod.html
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 08:54 PM, John Straus wrote:
> >>
> >>> While you guys are on the 21mm's dosen't one model have issue with
> >>> blocking
> >>> the meter on the newer TTL bodies? I though I read that somewhere...
>
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