Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/02/28

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Subject: Re: RE: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen
From: Frank Farmer <>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 08:53:12 -0600 (CST)


Of course, leaving any instrument (more often sponges than hemostats or the like) in a patient is prima facie evidence of mal-practice.  There is supposed to be a routine of counting everything from sponges to shoe laces several times in the operating room before anyone is closed.  Of course, in practice, situations don't always allow such.  But the net result is that if you leave something in someone and sew them back up - you will get sued and you will lose.  You insurance company will likely settle and will will go into the national practitioners' databank.  The heart/lung mixup?  That was simply not being thorough.  That is bad too.  


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From: Kit McChesney | acmefoto <>
Sent: 02/27/03 10:59 AM
Subject: RE: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen

> Edward--

There was a recent report on NPR about how many times surgeons left
instruments and other debris INSIDE the patient prior to closing the
incisions. It was horrifying. Apparently they are under so much pressure
perform quickly that they are making horrible mistakes. I'm also thinking
the transplant mistake last week. It probably will be tricky to obtain
permission to photograph in hospitals, but if you prepare the groundwork
sufficiently in advance, make friends with the docs you want to  work
really take the time to make yourself a known quantity to them, and to
it clear that you aren't there to show their mistakes, but to show the
side of the subject, you may have some luck.

You're a veterinarian, yes? So you know how doctors feel already. Gosh,
love to follow you around and document what you do!


- -----Original Message-----
[]On Behalf Of Edward
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:23 AM
Subject: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen

Thanks Buzz, Tina-
    With my wife's help - I'm a health care professional as well
- - I might pull it off if I can find the time. The OR  - human or otherwise 
- -
is a tough place to be admitted, with the freedom to listen and
I have heard some stories from my wife (even concerning world class
surgeons) that would curl nose hair - worse than the surgeon who left his
Orthopedic patient open in the OR here in Boston just to make a an ATM
transaction --- you can bet that they are on their best behavior when
someone is watching, with a camera no less. In some ways, however, I think
that the stories she tells from the NICU are more robust and sincere
(children bring out the best in these folks), with much fewer incidents of
'questionable' behavior from surgeons and surgical residents -- I hope!
Maybe BD and Ted have seen/heard these tales.

> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:29:27 -0500
> From: "Buzz Hausner" <>
> Subject: [Leica] OR/NICU Photographs
> Message-ID: <000001c2de10$721e0c10$121afea9@Hausner>
> References:
> Well...perhaps and perhaps not.  Ted and Sandy are photographing a book
> on "Women In Medicine," capturing, as I understand it, women in all
> venues where medicine is practiced.  We'll have to wait for a report
> from Ted and Sandy whether or not they worked in a NICU (Neonatal
> Intensive Care Unit).  I am certain they will be photographing in the OR
> because I know one of the surgeons who they will follow.
> Hospital administrators seem permit
> documentary photography in intensive care units.  This may be from
> liability jitters, but who knows.
> Buzz Hausner

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