Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/02/27
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]yes but interesting i believe. dont you? simon - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kit McChesney | acmefoto" <kitmc@acmefoto.com> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:59 PM Subject: RE: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen > Simon-- > > I'm not talking about the doctor's being a rush to close a sucking chest > wound. Of course an ER doc is in a hurry to take care of that. I mean > slowing down to make sure things are done correctly. Or having adequate > staff to double-check to be sure the doctor isn't forced to do more than he > or she should, under difficult circumstances. Medicine in the U.S. ain't > what it used to be, that's for sure. When a hospital ward has 32 patients > under the care of one RN, you know something is wrong. The same for doctors > and the operating room. I'm not blaming the docs, per se, but insurance > companies are putting money and time constraints on doctors that are > affecting the quality of health care. > > Boy, is this off-topic! > > Kit > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of animal > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:27 AM > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > Subject: Re: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen > > > Kit > Well if your minimum speed is 300 feet a second that is not true. > And i would think that with an open Thorax you are in a hurry to. > Speed is life. > simon > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kit McChesney | acmefoto" <kitmc@acmefoto.com> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 6:59 PM > Subject: RE: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen > > > > Simon-- > > > > Well, I think that docs in the OR are under tremendous pressure to perform > > quickly (we can debate why all day long, but insurance companies probably > > have something to do with it given their push to drive down medical > > expenses) and to get people out of the hospital as fast as possible. There > > were reports that they had closed incisions leaving surgical instruments, > > other surgical equipment, waste from the surgery itself (materials used in > > the process) and other debris. Patients discovered that they had "stuff" > > inside their bodies later, after developing serious infections. The result > > of many preventable mistakes is often death. And then there are the cases > > where the wrong part of the body was subject to operation, etc, not to > > mention the amputation of the "wrong" limb. Ouch. > > > > I think the best procedure for minimizing mistakes is to slow down. Like > > anything else. Slower is better. Haste makes waste. > > > > Kit > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of animal > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:24 AM > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > Subject: Re: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen > > > > > > I,d suspect that there are other reasons for speed. > > There might be a limit how long surgery can last anyway. > > Everybody makes mistakes constantly. > > Even though results of mistakes vary. > > You can not blame people,s poor design. > > You just have to device procedures to minimize mistakes. > > It,s a very interesting complex subject human factors. > > The highest number of accidents occur in the home when people make tea. > > When distracted it,s very easy to boil two times the amount of water and > at > > the second to an allready full teapot which can result in horrible burns > for > > kids below the counter. > > While in the past research focused on aviation and the nuclear industries > > research has shown the complexity and is now focusing on the more common > > household accidents. > > simon > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kit McChesney | acmefoto" <kitmc@acmefoto.com> > > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:59 PM > > Subject: RE: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen > > > > > > > Edward-- > > > > > > There was a recent report on NPR about how many times surgeons left > > > instruments and other debris INSIDE the patient prior to closing the > > > incisions. It was horrifying. Apparently they are under so much pressure > > to > > > perform quickly that they are making horrible mistakes. I'm also > thinking > > of > > > the transplant mistake last week. It probably will be tricky to obtain > > > permission to photograph in hospitals, but if you prepare the groundwork > > > sufficiently in advance, make friends with the docs you want to work > > with, > > > really take the time to make yourself a known quantity to them, and to > > make > > > it clear that you aren't there to show their mistakes, but to show the > > human > > > side of the subject, you may have some luck. > > > > > > You're a veterinarian, yes? So you know how doctors feel already. Gosh, > > I'd > > > love to follow you around and document what you do! > > > > > > Kit > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Edward > > > Caliguri > > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:23 AM > > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > > Subject: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen > > > > > > > > > Thanks Buzz, Tina- > > > With my wife's help - I'm a health care professional as well > > (animals!) > > > - I might pull it off if I can find the time. The OR - human or > > otherwise - > > > is a tough place to be admitted, with the freedom to listen and > > photograph. > > > I have heard some stories from my wife (even concerning world class > > > surgeons) that would curl nose hair - worse than the surgeon who left > his > > > Orthopedic patient open in the OR here in Boston just to make a an ATM > > > transaction --- you can bet that they are on their best behavior when > > > someone is watching, with a camera no less. In some ways, however, I > think > > > that the stories she tells from the NICU are more robust and sincere > > > (children bring out the best in these folks), with much fewer incidents > of > > > 'questionable' behavior from surgeons and surgical residents -- I hope! > > > Maybe BD and Ted have seen/heard these tales. > > > Ed > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:29:27 -0500 > > > > From: "Buzz Hausner" <buzz.hausner@verizon.net> > > > > Subject: [Leica] OR/NICU Photographs > > > > Message-ID: <000001c2de10$721e0c10$121afea9@Hausner> > > > > References: > > > > > > > > Well...perhaps and perhaps not. Ted and Sandy are photographing a > book > > > > on "Women In Medicine," capturing, as I understand it, women in all > > > > venues where medicine is practiced. We'll have to wait for a report > > > > from Ted and Sandy whether or not they worked in a NICU (Neonatal > > > > Intensive Care Unit). I am certain they will be photographing in the > OR > > > > because I know one of the surgeons who they will follow. > > > > > > > > Hospital administrators seem reluctant...stupidly...to permit > > > > documentary photography in intensive care units. This may be from > > > > liability jitters, but who knows. > > > > > > > > Buzz Hausner > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html