Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/01/20

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Subject: RE: [Leica] Tri Elmar Repair
From: "Kit McChesney | Acmefoto" <kitmc@acmefoto.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:18:33 -0700

Mike--

I've just responded to the issue of warranty protection. On to gray market,
and the authorized dealer market.

On the surface it would seem that gray marketeers hurt our business. But
there isn't anything Leica USA can do about non-authorized dealers who sell
gray market products. They can import anything they like, but they often
will do so and then pass the product off on an unsuspecting U.S. customer
who believes he or she is getting the U.S. warranty (and consequently, the
convenience of sending it to the repair facility in the U.S., rather than
Germany). Frankly, I don't really care to waste my time worrying about it.
I've got more important things to do, like making sure someone can get his
outfit assembled for an upcoming African safari. Or getting that rare
Vario-Elmar-R lens to a pro who needs it for some special assignment. Or
finding the last M6 Titanium LE and a Summicron lens in the country for
someone who's had his heart set on it for a long time. Or replacing a lens
cap!

There have been authorized dealers selling gray market. That's another
story, and it's ugly. Suffice it to say that it's unethical to present
oneself as an authorized dealer, advertise U.S. products, and then sell
someone gray market product instead.

There are those who feel that authorized dealers who sell at below-MAP
prices are hurting the rest of the dealers who honor their agreement with
Leica to stay at MAP (minimum advertised pricing). That may be. I'm not
going to blast or bad-mouth anyone who is an authorized dealer. Everyone has
his or her way of doing business. I will tell my potential and existing
clients how we like to do business, and they can choose what suits them.
I'll even refer them to someone else if I feel that it will best suit their
needs. But in the end, I honor my agreement with Leica so that I can
continue to do business with them, and continue to provide good products
with U.S. warranties to customers who are looking for more than just a cheap
deal. Those cut-rate prices from dealers who can prop up their Leica sales
with sales of other products carry a cost for the client. I've had many
clients come to us who tell me that they've gotten a good price, but bad
service. That they really appreciate being treated fairly, getting a
reasonable price, and having a relationship with a dealer whom they can
trust and work with into the future. When I receive an email like that, that
says, "Y'all done good," it makes my day, believe me!

Everyone is looking for something different. If it's cut-rate prices you
want with no care of where the warranty will be serviced, then gray market
is fine. If you want a deal on a U.S. product, you know where you can go to
get that, too. Maybe the customer service will be good, and maybe it won't.
But there are dealers who will treat you well every time, who know your
name, who you can count as a friend. This kind of relationship means
something to many folks, be they amateurs, advanced amateurs, professionals,
or whatever.

You can probably tell which of these types of dealerships we aspire to be,
and are. :)

Kit McChesney

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- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Michael
Cahill
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:55 AM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] Tri Elmar Repair


On 1/20/03 11:22 AM, "Kit McChesney | Acmefoto" <kitmc@acmefoto.com> wrote:

> Mike--
>
> I'm not saying that Leica won't honor the warranties. I think I've been
> misunderstood. I'm saying that if you have a non-US warranty, the piece
will
> be sent to Germany for repairs. That's all. And you're not paying extra
for
> a U.S. warranty. It's part of the price of the lens. The Passport Warranty
> is the warranty on U.S. products.
>
> I'm a licensed dealer. I never recommend buying gray market because you
> don't know what you're getting. And you're not getting a U.S. warranty,
> which most folks prize quite a bit!
>
> Kit
>

Kit-

On most products I'd agree.  Still, the whole concept of paying additional
to assure domestic repair on a VERY expensive piece of equipment because you
bought it overseas is absolutely goofy.  The lens was purchased at
Foto-Hobby Rahn in Frankfurt,  reportedly EU's largest Leica dealer, not
"gray" market at all.

This is all moot as far as the Tri-Elmar goes, gray market, black market,
stolen.....whatever, it has to be repaired in Germany.  Leica NJ does not
repair this lens.  My point is that if anyone is planning to buy a 3E call
Deltainternational, HKSupplies or any other "gray" market dealer and save
$500+ over what B+H is charging.  I'm talking $525 here (B+H vs HKSupplies),
not a couple of hundred bucks.  BTW, as a registered dealer, why aren't you
and the other dealers ranting at Leica over this issue?  You, as a dealer,
lose business to the gray market all the time.

I love the camera, even if the company that makes it needs a kick in the
ass.  I guess, to paraphrase B.D., I don't worship at the altar of Solms
either :-)

Take care,

Mike
_________________________________________
Michael Cahill
Mt. Laurel, NJ  08054

www.michaelcahill.com
mcahill2@comcast.net



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