Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/07/29
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Ernie, I agree with you except that perhaps there are more "newbie" women than men, and women in general may feel more unsure in technical areas, through educational conditioning. There's some evidence from science and math education that may or may not have relevance to photography. Your second point is very intriguing. The only thing I can add is that as Victorian post-mortem photography became unfashionable, (people were more likely to live longer, photography was more common and families already had "snaps" of their loved ones), some families did continue to photograph wakes and funerals including the deceased, but usually in secret. It seems that this is primarily done by the women of the family. Stuart Phillips - -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Nitka [mailto:enitka@twcny.rr.com] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:32 AM To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: RE: [Leica] LHSA Annual Meeting; half-price membership for newLUG members! L... and Women Stuart - interesting questions - I hope as you do to see some discussion about it and some estimated answers. I think boorish people on lists offend everyone and I wouldn't think that type of behaviour drives more women off the list as compared to men. Without much authority I do think that women in the past had more exposure to photographic arts than one would first guess only because the activity of photographing the family probably was seen as women's work, the need for darkroom was a homefront activity. ernie - -----Original Message----- From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Stuart Phillips Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:25 AM To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: RE: [Leica] LHSA Annual Meeting; half-price membership for newLUG members! L... and Women One problem with old people in an organization is that they die. Without bringing in young(er) people, that organization also dies. I do agree though about the dangers of too deeply discounting fees. I steep rise in the second year can be disconcerting. A better plan might be a first year in two installments. Whatever. The question of lack of women on this list is interesting. 1. What percentage of professional photographers are women? 2. What percentage of "non-point-and-shoot-camera-buyers are women"? 3. What percentage of serious camera buyers are women (F5, F4, Leica, Canon etc etc howver you want to define it)? 4. What percentage of photojournalists are women? 5. How do women's incomes as professionals reflect men's (they're less even when women are allowed to hold the same job) 6. How many women's mother's had the money to buy a Leica or were encouraged to photograph - therefore how many women received a Leica from Mommy? 7. Which companies target women as consumers? Somewhere in that soup of reinforcing and conflicting trends and data, you will find the answer to the question of why this list is made up primarily of grumpy old men, with a near total absence of women. On another list, which shares at least a couple of members with this one, a woman recently had the temerity to ask about a camera she had inherited from her father, a German. Her simple, but natural question of what is a lens-hood was treated with utter contempt by at least one individual (although others were helpful). Is it any wonder that there are not many more women on these lists? Stuart Phillips - -----Original Message----- From: Roland Smith [mailto:roland@dnai.com] Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 11:59 PM To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: Re: [Leica] LHSA Annual Meeting; half-price membership for newLUG members! L... What's wrong with old people? I have belonged to some organizations that have discounted membership fees to attract new membership. In all instances, the plan failed. Members brought in at a discount resented the second year increase and dropped out. Existing members complained and felt unfairly treated. The LHSA is a good organization from a cost benefit ratio at the present rate of dues. Roland Smith Oakland, California - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark@markrabiner.com> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [Leica] LHSA Annual Meeting; half-price membership for newLUG members! L... > Marc thanks for the Populist thing this morning I'm going to respond to > that tomorrow but I'm not with you on this present past penalty thing. > > This is the least logical thing i ever heard you say if not the only non > logical thing I've ever heard you say. > You're usually pretty logical! > > A company starts discounting a product this is a penalty the existing > people who own this product? Or service? > > I think most people know when the buy something at some point in the > future it's going to go on sale. > I guess people who obsess on that never buy anything or join anything. > Like people who buy Computer stuff who know next year it will cost half > as much and do twice as much. > The best time to buy is never now. > > But I once bought a black leather coat from Nordstrom in December for > 200 bucks when it went on sale for 100 bucks in January they hand me the > 100 bucks difference in unnumbered twenty dollar bills I was just there > to by a tie clip! > I took my wife out to see Superman and for diner. > How many bad things have i got to say about Nordstrom? I think Zero. > So this type thing can happen if the company can afford it. If it's > flush with Holiday money. > > I can't see a club paying off its entire membership half of what they > paid to stay that year just because at some point they are giving some > guys a discount. (Us) > > LHSA is a business. And they are running it so it can stay afloat. They > (we) need more members and a wider variety of members as in younger > people and female people. > And get away from that older people and male people image it's been > stuck with all these years! > We need young Women!!!! I say charge them five bucks and give them a > free roll of slide film! > > > Mark Rabiner > Portland, Oregon USA > http://www.markrabiner.com > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html