Re: [Leica] airport security kinda long. ;-)

["Roland Smith" <roland@dnai.com>]

The second president of the United States, John Adams, was the first
president to use national safety to violate our rights under the first
amendment with the Alien Sedition Act.   Many newspapermen were jailed as
were others.

This was in the deemed need to protect the country from the French.

It was not about film or Leicas (on topic) and was very unpopular.  He lost
the election to Thomas Jefferson.

Roland Smith
Oakland, California
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffery Smith" <jls@runbox.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] airport security kinda long. ;-)


> Whenever someone invokes the old "we are at war" clause (which G.W. does
> incessantly), it seems that the Bill of Rights goes on the back burner.
> Before 9/11, the airlines had to revoke Freedom of Speech (yes, people
> making offhand remarks got bounced from flights) and Right to Bear Arms,
> and they have had to take the search and seizure thing one rung higher.
> Apparently our founding fathers didn't think of terrorism when they penned
> those rights (and this was only 3 years after America's first act of
> terrorism...the Boston Tea Party!).
>
> JLS
>
> At 09:23 PM 7/6/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hello Bryan:
> >
> >You're right, it is the fourth amendment.
> >
> >Your citation is most interesting.   It appears that once you allow the
> >screening process to begin, you cannot retreat from it.
> >
> >Also, it appears that the fourth amendment has been quite hollowed out in
> >this arena.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >Roland Smith
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Bryan Caldwell" <bcaldwell51@earthlink.net>
> >To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> >Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 8:07 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Leica] airport security kinda long. ;-)
> >
> >
> > > On 7/5/02 9:59 PM, "Roland Smith" <roland@dnai.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The Second Amendment of the Constitution protects us from
unreasonable
> > > > searches and seizures under both criminal and civil law.   The
> >justification
> > > > for airport security search must be based on some type of
contractual
> > > > implied consent when we use the airport.
> > >
> > >
> > > Roland,
> > >
> > > I think you mean the Fourth Amendment. I'm not sure how you find it
> >applies
> > > to civil law - it only applies to government action. The Fourth
Amendment
> > > does not cover, say, a search of employees by a private employer.
> >Privately
> > > conducted searches can be (and are) a matter of state law.
> > >
> > > Here is a good, if rather weighty, article about the legalities (Pre
9/11)
> > > of airport security searches and the various theories under which they
> >pass
> > > muster. It cites all of the leading cases if you're interested in
doing
> >the
> > > background reading. Although the cases are only cited by name and
date,
> >they
> > > can probably be found at FindLaw or another such website.
> > >
> > > http://books.nap.edu/books/0309054397/html/34.html#pagetop
> > >
> > > As someone who deals with Fourth Amendment issues on an almost daily
> >basis,
> > > I can assure you that it is a VERY complicated topic - riddled with
> > > exceptions that don't always make the most sense.
> > >
> > > Bryan
> > >
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