Re: [Leica] Has Leica ever offered a student discount program?

["Ted Bayer" <tedbayer@harbornet.com>]

B.D. - you are a genius.  That's exactly what I did -- but I waited over
40 years to do it, and then bought a 40 year old M3 to replace the Leica
I had.  Now I am happy again.

Ted in Olalla




- ----- Original Message -----
From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Leica] Has Leica ever offered a student discount program?


> Ouch! Believe me Ted, I understand. (And I told my student to sell
some of
> his Nikon gear and hang onto the Leica, because sooner or later he was
going
> to be buying the Leica again if he sold it now. ;-) )
>
> B. D.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Ted Bayer
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 3:57 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Has Leica ever offered a student discount
program?
>
>
>
> Thanks, B.D.  I fully understand, too.
>
> I guess that I am looking back on my youth, when I was in my mid
> twenties.  I was in Germany and bought some pretty hefty stuff --
Leica,
> Linhof, Rollieflex TLR -- and then found that I couldn't continue in
> photography as I had four kids and it didn't pay enough at the time.
So
> I had to sell the cameras to eat and, as I am sure you can understand
(I
> lived in ND and there wasn't much of a market there in the 50's for
> high-end equipment) I lost a bundle on it.
>
> I think your advice to the young folks is right on.
>
> Ted in Olalla
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:55 AM
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Has Leica ever offered a student discount
program?
>
>
> > I understand what you're asking Ted...:-)
> >
> > Of course the depreciation will be far greater with the Bessa, but
so
> will
> > the investment. The Bessa is, what, $550 for a brand new camera with
> some
> > modern features - which most students are used to and expect. The M6
> in even
> > half decent shape will be $1000. It's true the student may succeed
in
> > selling the M6 for $1000 two years later, but between the
introduction
> of
> > the M7 and the on-rush of digital, who knows whether well used M6s
> will be
> > $1000 in two years, or $750 - and a $250 loss on the M6 would
probably
> be
> > the same as the loss on a Bessa R2.
> >
> > And here's another thing to think about, besides the fact that the
> student
> > may be able to afford the Bessa but not the M6 - the student who
only
> > invests the $550 in the Bessa is likely to hang onto it longer, and
> > therefore has a greater likelihood of ultimately getting hooked,
than
> the
> > student who has tied up $1000 in the M6. I can tell you that one of
my
> > students who recently acquired a beatup M6 classic loves his, but is
> already
> > questioning whether he can afford to hang onto it what with rent
> coming due,
> > etc......
> >
> > B. D.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Ted
Bayer
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 2:44 PM
> > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Has Leica ever offered a student discount
> program?
> >
> >
> >
> > I think this is good advice, B.D.  But I have a questions about it
> (and
> > this is not meant in any way to be devious -- it is truly a matter
of
> > thinking ahead.)
> >
> > If the student does find the he/she likes using the RF and would
> prefer
> > to have a Leica M,  what would depreciation do to the resale value
of
> > the Bessa R2 one or two years from now?  Do you think it would be
> offset
> > by the depreciation (based on a percentage of the current value of
> both
> > cameras) on a Leica M (say an M6 TTL) during the same period?
> >
> > Ted in Olalla
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:04 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Leica] Has Leica ever offered a student discount
> program?
> >
> >
> > > For any student - on a student budget - considering getting into
> Leica
> > in
> > > particular, or RF in general, I would suggest considering a Bessa
R2
> > body
> > > and a used Summicron 50 or pre-asph 35. No, it's not a Leica body.
> But
> > it
> > > has a meter, it has a top shutter speed of a 2000th, a flash sync
of
> a
> > > 125th, it's cast metal, and it has a bright viewfinder. AND, it's
> new
> > and
> > > has a warranty.
> > >
> > > Is offer this advice, btw, because I think what is most important
> for
> > > students is finding out if they can have a happy marriage with a
> > > rangefinder, rather than acquiring a Leica.
> > >
> > > B. D.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of David
> > > Degner
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 1:38 PM
> > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Has Leica ever offered a student discount
> > program?
> > >
> > >
> > > Mathew I feel your pain.  As a fellow student who loves and uses
> > Leicas you
> > > have to drop large chunks of money at times.  I have not found any
> > truly
> > > cheap way to get leica equipment but there are a few relatively
> cheap
> > > pieces of equipment that you can start with and add the expensive
> > stuff
> > > when you can (always have a list to give to parents for birthdays
> and
> > > Christmas :)).  For a body there are two ways to go 1)I would
> suggest
> > an
> > > M4-2 body, the collectors hate them, so they are cheaper about
> > $600-$700,
> > > watch out for quality and read up on them a little though. 2) An
M3
> > body,
> > > freshly serviced,  There is absolutely nothing as smooth soft or
> quite
> > as
> > > my M3 after I got it back from Sherry, the perfect leica piece (
if
> > you
> > > don't mind slower loading and unloading).  It just makes you want
to
> > melt
> > > when using it, and its great for 50+mm lenses.  As for buying
> lenses;
> > the
> > > first one I would get is the 50mm ASPH you can get a good used one
> for
> > > about $600 I found one for $500, the cheapest sharpest modern lens
> in
> > the
> > > bunch.  After that it all depends on your style and what you are
> using
> > your
> > > equipment for.  Remember you'll only have to buy these things once
> in
> > your
> > > life so don't be afraid to go the next step up.  Good luck.  Where
> are
> > you
> > > going to college?  I'm off to western Kentucky next year.
> > >
> > > David Degner
> > >
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