RE: [Leica] Has Leica ever offered a student discount program?

["B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>]

Ouch! Believe me Ted, I understand. (And I told my student to sell some of
his Nikon gear and hang onto the Leica, because sooner or later he was going
to be buying the Leica again if he sold it now. ;-) )

B. D.

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From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Ted Bayer
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 3:57 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] Has Leica ever offered a student discount program?



Thanks, B.D.  I fully understand, too.

I guess that I am looking back on my youth, when I was in my mid
twenties.  I was in Germany and bought some pretty hefty stuff -- Leica,
Linhof, Rollieflex TLR -- and then found that I couldn't continue in
photography as I had four kids and it didn't pay enough at the time.  So
I had to sell the cameras to eat and, as I am sure you can understand (I
lived in ND and there wasn't much of a market there in the 50's for
high-end equipment) I lost a bundle on it.

I think your advice to the young folks is right on.

Ted in Olalla

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From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Leica] Has Leica ever offered a student discount program?


> I understand what you're asking Ted...:-)
>
> Of course the depreciation will be far greater with the Bessa, but so
will
> the investment. The Bessa is, what, $550 for a brand new camera with
some
> modern features - which most students are used to and expect. The M6
in even
> half decent shape will be $1000. It's true the student may succeed in
> selling the M6 for $1000 two years later, but between the introduction
of
> the M7 and the on-rush of digital, who knows whether well used M6s
will be
> $1000 in two years, or $750 - and a $250 loss on the M6 would probably
be
> the same as the loss on a Bessa R2.
>
> And here's another thing to think about, besides the fact that the
student
> may be able to afford the Bessa but not the M6 - the student who only
> invests the $550 in the Bessa is likely to hang onto it longer, and
> therefore has a greater likelihood of ultimately getting hooked, than
the
> student who has tied up $1000 in the M6. I can tell you that one of my
> students who recently acquired a beatup M6 classic loves his, but is
already
> questioning whether he can afford to hang onto it what with rent
coming due,
> etc......
>
> B. D.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Ted Bayer
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 2:44 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Has Leica ever offered a student discount
program?
>
>
>
> I think this is good advice, B.D.  But I have a questions about it
(and
> this is not meant in any way to be devious -- it is truly a matter of
> thinking ahead.)
>
> If the student does find the he/she likes using the RF and would
prefer
> to have a Leica M,  what would depreciation do to the resale value of
> the Bessa R2 one or two years from now?  Do you think it would be
offset
> by the depreciation (based on a percentage of the current value of
both
> cameras) on a Leica M (say an M6 TTL) during the same period?
>
> Ted in Olalla
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:04 AM
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Has Leica ever offered a student discount
program?
>
>
> > For any student - on a student budget - considering getting into
Leica
> in
> > particular, or RF in general, I would suggest considering a Bessa R2
> body
> > and a used Summicron 50 or pre-asph 35. No, it's not a Leica body.
But
> it
> > has a meter, it has a top shutter speed of a 2000th, a flash sync of
a
> > 125th, it's cast metal, and it has a bright viewfinder. AND, it's
new
> and
> > has a warranty.
> >
> > Is offer this advice, btw, because I think what is most important
for
> > students is finding out if they can have a happy marriage with a
> > rangefinder, rather than acquiring a Leica.
> >
> > B. D.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of David
> > Degner
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 1:38 PM
> > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Has Leica ever offered a student discount
> program?
> >
> >
> > Mathew I feel your pain.  As a fellow student who loves and uses
> Leicas you
> > have to drop large chunks of money at times.  I have not found any
> truly
> > cheap way to get leica equipment but there are a few relatively
cheap
> > pieces of equipment that you can start with and add the expensive
> stuff
> > when you can (always have a list to give to parents for birthdays
and
> > Christmas :)).  For a body there are two ways to go 1)I would
suggest
> an
> > M4-2 body, the collectors hate them, so they are cheaper about
> $600-$700,
> > watch out for quality and read up on them a little though. 2) An M3
> body,
> > freshly serviced,  There is absolutely nothing as smooth soft or
quite
> as
> > my M3 after I got it back from Sherry, the perfect leica piece ( if
> you
> > don't mind slower loading and unloading).  It just makes you want to
> melt
> > when using it, and its great for 50+mm lenses.  As for buying
lenses;
> the
> > first one I would get is the 50mm ASPH you can get a good used one
for
> > about $600 I found one for $500, the cheapest sharpest modern lens
in
> the
> > bunch.  After that it all depends on your style and what you are
using
> your
> > equipment for.  Remember you'll only have to buy these things once
in
> your
> > life so don't be afraid to go the next step up.  Good luck.  Where
are
> you
> > going to college?  I'm off to western Kentucky next year.
> >
> > David Degner
> >
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