Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/03/09
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I've travelled quite a bit to other countries and have since acquired a different perception of what is/is not human rights or rights of the individual. Yes, when it comes to government's abuse of authority towards its citizens and endanger our own existence and being, of course that is the basis of violating our constitutional rights. But you as a bureaucrat ought to know that in this small issue of the rights to have your film hand-inspected is a far-cry from a cop beating up someone in the inner city ghettos. Perhaps as Americans, we take things for granted. You see it all the time in foreign countries, especially in public where comments are often heard when Americans are around : "Can't stand those loud and obnoxious Yanks". Now, don't try painting this issue with the good old US of A constitution. It has nothing to do with it. And if you think it does, then as a bureaucrat, I can say you abuse the system equally. - --- Roland Smith <roland@dnai.com> wrote: > > Hello Ted: > > The reason to object to an incorrect application of > the law is to keep the > government that is to serve the people from turning > the tables and making > the people serve it. > > Here in the USA, we see countless instances of the > people being abused by > government in a form that causes most the citizens > to cower like sheep and > say you can't beat city hall. > > As a CPA representing many clients before government > and now as an elected > official in my city of 400,000, I have beat city > hall on numerous occasions. > By that, I mean federal, state and local government. > > I have stood my ground for my clients and earned a > reputation that I will > win when the rules are on my side. > > Now, as the elected City Auditor of the City of > Oakland, I have had citizens > come to me with issues where the police department > or another agency of our > city have bullied them with an incorrect > interpretation of the law. > > I have kept the city from illegally towing vehicles > and illegally denying > licenses. > > Ted, right is worth fighting for. I will not cower > as you suggest for film > inspection as long as the FAA regulations permit me > to have a hand > inspection. > > If I hear of unfair inspections at the Oakland > Airport, I will audit the > security administration and publish publicly a > report on the incorrect > process. > > I have earned a reputation with the citizens of > Oakland and was just > re-elected to a new four year term without > opposition. > > I urge everyone in my country to demand that the > inspectors not violate > regulations. This country is based on the rule of > law and we must protect > that order by insisting the laws be followed. The > government exists to > serve us. Read John Locke. > > Roland Smith > Oakland, California > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted Grant" <tedgrant@shaw.ca> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 9:12 AM > Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: airport film check > > > > Eric wrote: > > >>> Here in the US, it's the law that hand > inspections are allowed. I see > > > nothing wrong in asserting that your rights be > respected. The > inspectors > > > don't make the law. They're not allowed to > change it, either. > > > > > > http://www.faa.gov/avr/AFS/FARS/far-108.txt > > > > > > > Sec. 108.17 Use of X-ray systems. > > > > > > > (e) No certificate holder may use an X-ray > system to inspect carry-on > > > > or checked articles unless a sign is posted in > a conspicuous place at > > > > the screening station and on the X-ray system > which notifies > > > > passengers that such items are being inspected > by an X-ray and advises > > > > them to remove all X-ray, scientific, and > high-speed film from > > > > carry-on and checked articles before > inspection. This sign shall also > > > > advise passengers that they may request that > an inspection be made of > > > > their photographic equipment and film packages > without exposure to an > > > > X-ray system. If the X-ray system exposes any > carry-on or checked > > > > articles to more than 1 milliroentgen during > the inspection, the > > > > certificate holder shall post a sign which > advises passengers to > > > > remove film of all kinds from their articles > before inspection. If > > > > requested by passengers, their photographic > equipment and film > > > > packages shall be inspected without exposure > to an X-ray system. > > > > > > This applies to all domestic flights within the > US. If some 2-bit > > security > > > guy doesn't understand his job and his > obligations under the law, I > think > > > blaming the passenger is misplaced.<<<<<<< > > > > > > Hi Eric, > > > > I don't have any argument with the law. But then > the law's of any land > > aren't always right. I see the stand off over a > few or many rolls of film > > nothing more than "pushing one's rights" so to > speak. > > > > When in fact it's a meaningless action when it's a > proven fact by many > > photographic industrial tests and countless > numbers of photographers who > > fire their film through without a blink, nothing > ever happens. > > > > What I see in the earlier post was just a "stand > off for no reason" other > > than..."it's the law therefore you will hand > inspect my film!" Pointless > > point! > > I see many of these security people having to put > up with countless > > a........holes every day, so why become one by > simply "pushing ones point > > because it's the law!" > > > > And given your country suffered from the 9/11 > incident, I'd not push my > luck > > at any check in counter. Been through a few since > then and it was a good > > incident all the way......... even though > unnerving seeing your military > > guys hanging around with their weapons at the > ready. :-( > > > > ted > > > > Ted Grant Photography Limited > > www.islandnet.com/~tedgrant > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html