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Subject: RE: [Leica] Lea PAW week 5 & 6
From: "B. D. Colen" <>
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:07:54 -0500

just wanted to show that
it is possible to shoot in them without being jailed. At least here in
Kansas City.

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When it's your friend's coffee shop.:-)

B. D.

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From: "Ted Grant" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Lea PAW week 5 & 6

: B.D. wrote:
: >>> Lea, forgive me, but I am going to keep hammering at this...
: >
: > Paw 5 is a nice shot...but to the viewer it is not a shot of someone
: > managing a coffee shop - it is a shot of a woman, persumably a counter
: > worker, drinking a cup of coffee. You know that she is the owner because
: you
: > know the shop and know her. But the person looking at the photo doesn't
: know
: > it. :-)<<<<<
:  The above in response to lea's PAW:
: >>> Week 5 is what can happen in a coffee shop when photography is allowed
: ><<<<
: Hi B.D. and Lea:
: You're right B.D. The coffee shop photograph is a perfect example of the
: photographer knowing the facts of whom the subject is and the photograph
: doing the same, showing the facts. Happens all the time when the
: photographer gets emotions, facts, feelings etc in the way of what the
: picture says or whether it's a good or bad photograph.
: Nothing new here, we've all done it at some time. :-) No one is perfect,
: least of all photographers. ;-)
: Example:
: Photographer with broken leg in cast whining at editor because editor
: picture in floor file 13:
: Photog:
: "How can you throw that away it's a great picture, that's the moment the
: truck hit me and broke my leg!"
: Editor:
: "It's out of focus and blurry!"
: Photog:
: "So it's only a little bit, but that's when the truck hit me! It's a great
: photo of a happening!"
: Editor:
: "It's out of focus and blurry!"
: Photog limps away with thoughts of another visually challenged editor who
: doesn't have a clue what makes great pictures!
: It's because we have the experience of the real life moment while taking
: pictures, it quite often clouds our judgement in selecting the photo we
: think illustrates the situation.
: Lea:
: I think if you were in the shop shooting a series on the owner "working"
: instead of posing for the camera, you'd capture some very meaningful real
: moments in her life and this conversation wouldn't be on the screen. ;-)
: I bet because you have the connection, you could pop in there at a very
: busytime and shoot an assignment of,  "Moments in the life of a coffee
: owner" ----- without one posed image ----- and come away with very
: meaningful photographs that express the fact ..........." she lets you
: all the pictures you want in her coffee shop!"
: What think you? Worth a try? Hope so, as the shot you have is OK from the
: exposure/technical side, but doesn't tell us anything other than she
: her own coffee! :-)
: ted
: Ted Grant Photography Limited
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