Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2001/11/26

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Subject: Re: [Leica] OT:Photo grad school.
From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:52:08 -0500
References: <3f.2477cd7.2932de66@aol.com> <v04011702b8274c27648d@[66.81.44.219]> <v04011703b828452046ad@[66.81.51.16]>

Guy - I realize that my situation is definitely, and very unfortunatel, 
a major exception to the rule, as there are many people out in the real 
world who have a lot to give to students, and who would like to spend 
part of their career teaching....The real irony, though, is that I have 
found that my main journalism credential is far more valuable to me in 
academia than it was in the journalism world. In journalism, once you 
are at one of the top papers, having won x or y award, etc., will get 
you an interview at another top paper, but that's about it...but take 
the same credential to academia, and there it gets some respect...pretty 
funny, when you think about it...

B. D.

Guy Bennett wrote:

>>Guy Bennett wrote:
>>
>>>>Though much of this activity is
>>>>
>>>without significance in the "real world," real world values are meaningless
>>>in the academy: it is a self-validating system that generally does not
>>>recognize non-academic achievement.
>>>
>>Actually, my experience has been precisely the opposite - While I agree
>>entirely that virtually no one in the 'real world' gives a rat's behind
>>about your academic credentials once you get past your first job, I have
>>found that some folks in academia will grant 'equivalence' to certain
>>real-world accomplishments when hiring for positions in academia. At
>>both Harvard Medical School, where I was briefly the Director of Media
>>Affairs and had an academic appointment, and at MIT, where I teach, my
>>credentials in the world of journalism are viewed by academics as being
>>the equivalent of a doctorate in their world. The bottom line, I
>>believe, is that at these particular institutions the academics have
>>enough self-confidence to understand that they know what they know, and
>>that I know what I know, and what I know is as much of value to students
>>as what they know. (Does that make sense:-) )
>>B. D.
>>
> 
> 
> It definitely does. And your case is a great example of how the "real
> world" can and should exist within the rarified world of the academy. From
> my experience, however, this is rather exceptional. I've been teaching the
> humanities - languages and literature - at the university level for about
> 14 years now (first at UCLA and various community colleges in the L.A. area
> and, for the last 2-3 years, at Otis College of Art and Design) and have
> never seen anyone with less than a PhD given a teaching appointment in that
> field. Even in community colleges, a full-time teacher in the humanities
> with only a MA is becoming something of an anachronism.
> 
> Guy
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