Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2001/04/25

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Subject: Re: [Leica] A Leica ChallengeTO KICK B. D. ;-)
From: Guy Bennett <gbennett@lainet.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:35:54 -0700
References: <F17203C79991D4119B3900805F9A6BD009111E@pie-main.piengr.com> <3AE744AB.B6AE4B6E@earthlink.net>

>	B.D., how difficult the situation is when taking the picture is of
>little consequence when critiquing the photo... Does the picture work,
>could it have worked, what would have made it work are legitimate
>questions when looking at a photo. Keep in mind that as much personal
>satisfaction or meaning a photo has for you, it may not transfer to
>someone else looking at it. Obviously he thought that there were some
>problems, and he was explaining why the pictures weren't working for
>him, it has nothing to do with his ability or experience in shooting
>those conditions. "Let's see you do it!", is a pretty crummy way to
>respond to well meant criticism...
>	I just checked the site with your pictures, and it said that it was
>"down for routine maintenance" so I haven't seen the pictures yet, but
>his "criticisms" seem to be mostly about framing. Do you feel that the
>pictures couldn't have possibly been better framed? No, we are not all
>Tinas or Teds, so we will occasionally (I wish!) miss "by that much"...
>No sin there, and neither is pointing it out when asked... If you ask
>for feedback, don't be surprised when you get it!:-)
>
>Isaac


This was pretty much my take on the "critique / reponse to the critique"
exchange.

It seems kind of disingenous to encourage folk to criticize your work and
then snap at them when they do. Tom's comments were in no way nasty or out
of line but - at least in the eyes of a third-party reader - honest
criticisms of what he felt to be deficiencies in the pix posted. Sure
everyone has their own opinion, and we are all free to agree or disagree
with them, but we shouldn't ask for opinions if we're not prepared to deal
with them. Looking back at the subejct of the message (A Leica ChallengeTO
KICK B. D.) makes me think of the old adage: be careful what you wish - you
may get it.

Guy


>"B. D. Colen" originally wrote:
>
>> You can see how you did - pretty poorly for someone with such strong
>> opinions about how given photographs should be taken and what would make
>> them better.
>>
>> Now I know I it's bush of me to get annoyed at the kind of "constructive
>> criticism" you've so freely provided. And I know that when I post photos
>> I ask for feed back. So you are, of course, entitled to your opinions of
>> the photos. BUT - Given your admission of having very little
>> photographic experience, I'd suggest throwing away the books and the art
>> 101 course and getting out and spending 15 hours with a family, or 17
>> hours in a labor/delivery room, or attempting to take photos at a
>> funeral without outraging those whose loved one has died, and then look
>> at your photos and see if they are shot "correctly" by the standards you
>> set here.
>>
>> B. D.

In reply to: Message from Tom Finnegan <TomF@piengr.com> ([Leica] A Leica ChallengeTO KICK B. D. ;-))
Message from "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> (Re: [Leica] A Leica ChallengeTO KICK B. D. ;-))