Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2001/04/21

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Portra 400 BW (Was: Film Demise)
From: "onetreehillclw" <>
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:30:06 -0500
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Does Kodak really need 3 b&w C-41 on the market?
Looks like they still can't get it right. Ilford is still tops.
Can't stand printing the Kodak C-41(in my darkroom).
XP2 is still the best. And for making it easier to print the
new Kodak Portra B&W on machines, I'd like to see it when
I get a chance. I don't have to color correct XP2 on the Noritsu 2301 but I
do have to color correct(making it look black n white) Kodak CN. And this is
printed on Kodak paper(Royal 8---it sucks!!!!!) and using Kodak chemicals.
         It's all another scheme for the Kodak users to spend more $$$$$$$$.
And of course, Kodak suckers everybody in. Let's look at those machine
prints again 20 yrs from now.
Magenta color would be my guess. And the photographer gets
his money and the family suffer from low quality prints!!!!!!

My thoughts............
Chris Williams
XP2 for life or until XP3 comes out!!!!!!

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "henry" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Portra 400 BW (Was: Film Demise)

> I think you are right. The whole reason for the existence is this film is
> so that wedding guys can offer a "black& white" service and still have
> all their film and prints run on a machine. The images will look like B&W
> to the bride and her mother. And look like faded crap in 25 years. At
> this level it makes perfect sense. But why would I want to pay double
> price for a roll of film if I don't work this way? I already have XP2 and
> its cheap and excellent quality.
> Its more about Kodak getting your money than it is about anything else.
> Short circuiting craft and art.
> That said I'd like to hear your impressions of the film when you get a
> chance.
> Henry
> >Calumet has it for $7.00 @ roll in the 36/36exp-5 roll pack. Wonder what
> >wants for it.
> >One good point on the stuff from the Pro Portrait Photographers stand
> >is that it is become
> >damn hard to find anyone to do finishing in black and white-almost a dead
> >art for retouchers
> >and print finishers. I think this will be welcome by a lot of people if
> >stuff is any good. If it
> >works like the other portra films it could be very good. Will test and
> >some of the results.
> >Would be great for wedding PJ work and they say that it has a latitude
> >asa 50 to 1600.
> >We shall see.
> >Cheers Wilber Jeffcoat
> >

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