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Subject: [Leica] Even Worse Than Scotches: IE Linguistics
From: Marc James Small <msmall@roanoke.infi.net>
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 17:20:38 -0400

At 10:19 PM 4/3/2001 +0200, Matej Novak wrote:
>Slovenian language has three differentiations by persons: Singular, Plural,
>and Dual (two persons). There are only two other languages in the world that
>have Dual as well. 
>
>It also has three genders; Masculine, Feminine, and Neuter.
>

Slovenian is a branch of South Slavic and, as such, is descended from
Primitive Indo-European (as are the languages of most LUGers, from Irish to
Hindi, from Swedish to Greek.  PIE had:

Nouns:

three numbers (singular, dual, plural)
eight cases (nominative, vocative, genitive, dative, accusative,
instrumental, locative, ablative)
three genders (masculine, feminine, neuter)

Verbs:

three numbers (singular, dual, plural)
two aspects (perfective, imperfective)
four tenses (past, present, future, aorist)
six moods (infinitive, verbal adjective, verbal noun, indicative, optative,
subjunctive)

It also had a pitch accent in place of the stress accent we all know and love.

How these various attributes wafted down into modern Indo-European
languages is fascinating -- Latin has the ablative absolute, Ancient Greek
the genitive absolute, both apparently descended from a common IE form
which, when the Greek genitive absorbed certain functions of the IE
ablative case, wafted over to form the Greek genitive absolute.  Russian
dropped the elaborate moods of PIE quite late, after the time of Ivan the
Terrible, but retained an almost pure IE aspect/tense structure.  Modern
English and Gaelic have pretty much merged and abandoned direct modal
subjunctive and optative usages, but have substituted modal forms of the
verb "to be" in their stead.  And so forth.

I believe Czech is the last IE language to retain the pure pitch accent,
though Hindi has traces of this as well, while Lithuanian is the only
modern IE language, I recall, to have all eight cases in play.  But, as
always, the needed references are upstairs.

Marc

msmall@roanoke.infi.net  FAX:  +540/343-7315
Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir!

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