Re: [Leica] Country of origin

[Roger <contaxaholic@yahoo.com>]

I used www.amazon.com, searched for 'KGB' and had
forgotten to mention the name of the book I was
talking about in the earlier post. It is The Sword and
the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archive and the Secret
History of the KGB, for anyone interested. There are a
lot of other books on the subject, as would be
expected.

Did the KGB use Leica or Minox?


- --- "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> wrote:
> What's particularly chilling is not the straight
> "political murders," but the internal ethnic
> cleansing and the deaths of 10s of millions by
> starvation as a result of the forced
> collectivism.......
> 
> Roger wrote:
> 
> > Last I heard/read, Joseph Stalin wiped out
> 20,000,000
> > people. Including anyone else in the Communist
> party
> > that could be considered competition. Witch hunts
> were
> > the order of the day. KGB was used to hunt down
> guys
> > like Trotsky, and lure them back into Russia, all
> > based on Stalin's paranoia that the White Russians
> and
> > the West were plotting and scheming against him.
> The
> > KGB were given orders to infiltrate other
> governments,
> > other spy/intelligence organizations, and recruite
> > sympathesizers from Universities around the world.
> > I've only recently started reading it, but it's a
> real
> > eye opener. Written by an ex-KGB dude who is a
> real
> > whistleblower, and he made notes and copies of KGB
> > files going back decades. You can read about it in
> a
> > fascinating book:
> >
> >
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0465003109/o/qid=975978268/sr=2-1/002-0890966-9044036
> >
> > My big question is not whether any of these facts
> are
> > in dispute or not. It's with the crumbling of
> Russia,
> > what are these guys doing now? I mean, if all
> that's
> > on their resume is working for the KGB, where do
> they
> > go for a new job?
> >
> > --- "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > And further, Horst et. al, while I agree with
> you
> > > entirely about your view of Hitler
> > > and the Germans during the National Socialist
> > > period, before blithely writing off as
> > > comparatively petty the crimes of monsters such
> as
> > > Stalin, Mao ad Pol Pot, I would
> > > urge you to browse through a fascinating book
> called
> > > The Black Book of Communism.
> > > You'll learn that in terms of numbers of
> victims,
> > > Herr Hitler was a piker - and I am
> > > NOT in any way saying "he wasn't all that bad."
> What
> > > I am saying is that for various
> > > reasons we have never quite recognized the
> horror
> > > perpetrated by some other regimes
> > > on their own peoples.
> > >
> > > B. D.
> > >
> > > aruby@rci.rutgers.edu wrote:
> > >
> > > > on 12/3/00 10:56 PM, A.H.SCHMIDT at
> > > horsts@primus.com.au wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> Krechtz@aol.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> I suppose we can make room for a few
> neo-Nazis.
> > > > >
> > > > >> Joe Sobel
> > > > >
> > > > > People who write this, have no idea what
> they
> > > are talking about. They have no
> > > > > idea what the Nazi regime was. It was the
> most
> > > evil ,sadistic and miserable
> > > > > collection of people ever assembled. It made
> > > others with similar ideals look
> > > > > like
> > > > > stark beginners. Be it Attilla the Hun, 
> Stalin
> > > or Pol Pot. None of them could
> > > > > compete with the atrocities the Nazis
> managed to
> > > inflict on to other people.
> > > > > The
> > > > > only ones who really know what nazism as
> > > practiced by Hitler's mob meant,
> > > > > where
> > > > > the victims. Remember, there was nothing 
> even
> > > slightly good about this
> > > > > regime.
> > > > > All the idiots who list  so called
> achievements
> > > like the Autobahn, the rockets
> > > > > etc., don't want to admit, or are to stupid
> to
> > > realize,  that this was only
> > > > > done
> > > > > to create more and faster mayhem.
> > > > > Any positive or light hearted reference to
> this
> > > regime shows total ignorance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards, Horst Schmidt
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Unfortuantely, Horst, you're wrong. The Nazis
> were
> > > just a bunch of ordinary
> > > > Germans, ie, just like anyone else. To claim
> that
> > > they were anything more or
> > > > less is to beg for it to happen again.
> Besides,
> > > the holocaust perpetrated by
> > > > the Nazis was neither the most lethal nor the
> most
> > > terrible; history, sadly
> > > > 20th century history in particular has amply
> > > demonstrated that fact.
> > > >
> > > > Aaron
> > >
> >
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