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Subject: Re: [Leica] Forbes article on mechanical wristwatches OFF TOPIC
From: "Roland Smith" <>
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:07:49 -0700
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Are movements for the Rolex made by others?

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From: "Hoyen Tsang" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 1:36 AM
Subject: [Leica] Forbes article on mechanical wristwatches OFF TOPIC

> If you consider Patek Philippe a "ritzy ditzy bozo watch maker" then I'm
afraid you don't know watches very well...  Patek and A. Lange & Sohne are
the current top echelon of watchmaking.  You simply can't find movements
better finished or more aesthetically pleasing.  I also consider Blancpain,
Jaeger-LeCoultre, and Audemars Piguet to be among the top.  My current dream
watch, in fact, is the Patek "10 Days".
> Keep in mind that "in-house movements" doesn't mean much these days.
There is a reason why Rolex doesn't allow tours of their factory, whereas
real watch manufacturers like Blancpain often do.  It's assembly line
manufacturing vs skilled craftsmanship.  I guess you can argue that Rolex
caters to a totally different market than Patek and Lange do.  Apples and
> Hoyen
> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:34:57 -0400
> From: Javier Perez <>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Forbes article on mechanical wristwatches
> Message-ID: <>
> References:
> Hi
> Watches are an on and off hobby for me
> There are very few swiss watch makers
> still building their own movements.
> These include Valjoux, Eta, Zenith
> Rolex and a few of less important ones
> Zenith* and Rolex use the movements in
> their own watches leaving ETA and valjoux to supply
> the industry. While different watches with diifferent brand names
> may match for movement and caliber they will not necessarily
> be of the same grade or build quality. Any of the movement builders will
> hand select
> parts for the movements if the watch maker is willing to pay the extra
> $$$
> Also, many watch makers like to massage and tweek the movements
> a bit further for use in their top of the range watches.
> So even though your swatch has the same movement as someone
> else's speed master The speedmaster is likely to have a better balanced
> balance wheel, and will likely have been adjusted in several positions
> in temperature and humidity controlled environment. These extras
> will pay off 25 years from now when the Speedmaster is still running,
> perhaps a few minutes fast and the Swatch has long been thrown out
> or perhaps used to supply parts for a speedmaster
> *Zenith does on occasion supply other makers with movements
> It provided Rolex with detuned rainbow movements for their early
> daytonas.
> See Ya
> Javier
> PS: Please don't tell me that I forgot to
> mention Patek Phillip. I'm talking about
> serious watch makers here, Not ritzy
> ditzy bozo watch makers.
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