Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2000/01/18
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Here we have the bottom line of the age-old discussion if we can see the quality of Leica lenses in itself and compared to other marques. I fully agree with Jonathan's statement that if a lens gives better values in a properly conducted optical test, it is simply a better lens. And a better lens has better recording capabilities than a lesser one, and these recording capabilities cover two- and three dimensional objects in a like manner. So a better lens will give a better (that is a more accurate) recording of the three dimensional world we live in, also called the real world. Now if we have a lens with better capabilities and one with lesser capabilities, and we record a tiny space-time slice on film, the better lens will give a more accurate representation of that time-space slice. Period. If we cannot see the difference than it is not the lens that is at fault, nor the fact that we are physiologically unable to see it, nor can we conclude that there are no differences to be detected. What is lacking is the skill of the photographer in recording the 3-D world as good as the lens is capable of. Mike's test is set up to see if one can detect differences between pictures taken with lens A and lens B. His conclusion is that if one cannot see any difference, the lens is not better or we are not able to see it, therefore it is not relevant. Given the above statement, the test (if and when properly set up and executed) will only allow for one conclusion. If pictures taken with two lenses that are proven to have different optical quality by a properly conducted optical test, can not be distinguished by several expert observers as such, then the pictures are below the required standard of photographic quality. We have one absolute constant here and at least two variables in the gauntlet equation. The constant is the proven recording capability of lens A and lens B. The variables are the skill of the persons who took and processed the pictures and the skill of the observers. In a remarkable twist of logic we are proceeding as if the skill of the picture takers and the skill of the observers are the constants in the equation and the optical quality of the lenses the dependent variables. Now Mike will try to show that his setup is relevant for allowing conclusions of an empirical nature, as opposed to a scientific one. Well if that were the goal, there is no need to proceed, as it has been established countless of times since 1925 that in many instances pictures taken with Leica equipment cannot be identified as such. Most recently one Lugger noted the book about Magnum photographers who presumably used Leica for some of their pictures. But to ask the question if indeed these pictures are taken with Leica equipment is an accurate forecast of the results of Mike's test. Statistically at least 30% will identify correctly the pictures taken with a Leica. ( 3 of 10 pictures are Leica pictures, so any random choice has a 3 to 10 chance of being correct). Long years ago there was the famous discussion if pictures enlarged with a condenser or a diffuser enlarger are different. When I taught at a photography school I asked all teachers to sit around a table, look at a few pictures taken with both types of enlargers and identify the enlarger type. (Same scene, both negatives developed according to the rules). Some teachers quickly identifed the condenser and diffuser prints, some used a longer time but eventually made a positive choice. Of course I cheated: all prints were identical. So the upshot is this: humans will see differences when told there are differences. If Mike's ten samples of prints included no Leica print some would identify some print as taken with Leica equipment. If all ten prints are Leica prints some would identify a Leica print as taken with non-Leica equipment. Erwin