Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1998/02/14

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Handheld Limit of Noctilux
From: Krzysztof Szecowka <>
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 21:30:40 +0100


I don't have the Noctilux, but I have shot with M6 and 35mm Summilux at
1/4 s and got the SHARP pictures. It depends how you hold the camera
(using the elbows and body as a tripod). With M6 it goes easy.


Larry Kopitnik wrote:
> The discussion recently of the Noctilux has made me wonder at how slow
> a
> shutter speed those of you who use it can RELIABLY get a sharp
> hand-held
> shot.
> For example -- and I currently shoot Nikon, so forgive me, but that's
> the
> only frame of reference I can provide -- I know I can shoot a 50 mm
> f/1.4
> lens on an FM2 at 1/30 second and I can count on a sharp photo of a
> still
> subject. And I know that at 1/15 second or 1/8 second I may well get
> some
> sharp frames, but I'd better take a bunch of shots because most will
> suffer
> from shake.  1/30 is my RELIABLE low speed limit with that lens.
> At some point the weight of the lens, I assume, makes a difference in
> hand-holdability. Another Nikon example (again, sorry): I once
> considered a
> 200 mm f/2 Nikkor to be able to capture lower light telephoto shots.
> But
> that lens is nearly the size and weight of a 300 f/2.8 and I found
> that,
> when hand held, I needed to use a faster shutter speed compared to a
> 180
> f/2.8. All I'd have gained was shallower depth of field (unimportant
> to
> me),  a whole lot of weight, and a much smaller bank account.
> And my 85 mm f/1.4D Nikkor, which I can reliably hand hold at 1/60
> second,
> actually weighs less than the Noctilux (though, I'm sure, the Noctilux
> is
> better built).
> So, I'm curious at what what point the size and weight of the lens
> might
> negate the advantages of a larger aperture. Could a photographer, for
> instance, reliably handhold a 35 Summilux ASPH in the same light
> levels as
> a Noctilux?
> Ted, Tina, anyone who uses a Noctilux, at how slow a shutter speed can
> you
> reliably hand hold it?
> Thanks!
> Larry