Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1996/07/16

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Subject: Re: Leica's USA price list
From: "C.M. Fortunko" <>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 23:46:17 -0600


I am sure that this must be true since it comes from such a "sofisticated"

To be honest, I have a real problem with your statement. I am not a fan of
Japanese cameras. Somehow, they do not feel right. However, the Germans
produced some real dogs too. Look for example at the various Agfas and
others. I will also tell you that the Contaxes leave me cold. Wonderful
lenses, though.

My first camera was a pre-war, folding 6by9cm. I wish I still had it. It was
ergonomic, fun and not a Leica. The M3's were truly revolutionary. The first
screw-mounts were truly revolutionary. But what has happened since? 

Marc James Small did not know the meaning of the IPO. The new Leica people
certainly know about IPOs. I have the sinking feeling, though, that they do
not know much about photography and do not wish to learn. I am sure that the
Leitz greats, Oscar Barnack, Max Berek, and many others must be turning in
their graves.

Best regards,


At 10:20 PM 7/16/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Charles E. Love, Jr....wrote
>>Second, I smell a whiff of racism in this sort of statement.   Eric 
>>out earlier that it's objectionable to use the term "Jap."  But 
>entirely too
>>many Leica and Hasselblad fans carry with them the assumption that 
>>European must be better than anything Japanese (witness the debate 
>about the
>>origins of Leica zooms).  Nonsense!  Even if you don't like Canon and
>>Nikon's auto-everything pro SLR's, any Leica rangefinder lover who 
>>appreciate a Mamiya 6/7 ought to look at his/her attitudes!
>Hi Charles,
>You may want to sit down for this...
>Objectively, the Europeans make the best optics, automobiles, 
>watches/clocks, model trains, camera bags and beer.  Lets give credit 
>where credit is due.
>The Japanese make the most sofisticated cameras and electronics.
>Bill Erfurth