[Leica] Welcome, M11

Sun Jan 9 07:57:34 PST 2022

Jayanand,

It'll be interesting to hear your reports on the Z9 from your field of 
wildlife photography. I hardly think you'll be using it for the street :-)

As for the M11, I'm sure it will be a great street shooter, but I won't 
be buying one any time soon. I am thinking, as I've been doing a fair 
bit of video, of upgrading my Sony A7ll for the new A7IV over the next 
few months as it has a bigger battery, but am also hoping that Fuji 
might make a bigger sensor version of the X100S which I've had for the 
last eight odd years. Its light weight and 35mm equivalent lens just 
work so well and are balanced in the hand.

As I get older, a lighter weight camera is very appealing. That said, 
camera shape and balance in the hand - in the street - is essential. My 
Leica M3 was (well still is) a wonderfully sized and balanced camera 
even though it weighs 904 grams with a 35mm Summaron and goggles. On 
shorter lenses, I'm going to buy the Sony 40/2.5 lens for the A7II this 
month as I'm not that happy with my Samyang 35/2.8 when I use it for 
street work.

Douglas

On 09/01/2022 02:38, Jayanand Govindaraj via LUG wrote:
> I have foregone the metal shutter altogether with my New Year gift to
> myself, the Nikon Z9! Delivered on 24th December on advance order, the
> first day of deliveries in India. I used the logic that if I did not like
> it, considering the potentially huge waiting lists all over the world (for
> a US#5.5k camera body!), I could always sell it on the secondary market for
> what I paid for it.
>
> If you order a Nikon Z9 today, you would be lucky to get delivery before
> October 2022. The same is true for the Canon R3 - indicative delivery dates
> here in June 2022. Sony has quietly dropped half a dozen models from their
> current catalogue, including all their APS-C offerings, trying to optimize
> parts to make top of the line bodies . All because of a global chip
> shortage, and as far as Canon/Nikon are concerned, the first mirrorless
> flagship offering for which there is huge pent up demand.
>
> The M11 will be no different, they are not immune to market forces - those
> interested might as well jump in early! If there is a shortage, and you do
> not like it, you will be able to flip it at a premium, making a real,
> inflation adjusted profit on a camera - a very rare occurrence! 😊
>
> Cheers
> Jayanand
>
> On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 1:52 AM Don Dory via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
>
>> Philippe, I primarily use a Sony A1 in the silent shutter mode.  I am well
>> familiar with the usefulness of IBIS and a silent shutter.  I find I can
>> almost equal the Sony with my M9 using Summilux lenses in terms of
>> sharpness.  Shutter noise is higher but in normal environments no one hears
>> it but me.  I used the M10R monochrome in the Seattle area this fall and
>> the shutter release is especially wonderful: if the M11 is as good then I
>> am much poorer as I will be hunting down the APO lenses to go with my new
>> M.  For some reason my best people/street images are taken with M's.  Go
>> figure.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 2:17 PM Philippe via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry Don, try an electronic shutter and feel the difference ; no sound,
>>> no vibration … we’re here, all,  in the past :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Amities
>>>
>>> Philippe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Le 8 janv. 2022 à 21:03, Don Dory via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> a
>> écrit
>>> :
>>>> I will just add that most of the current M lineup will not deliver the
>>> full
>>>> capabilities of the new sensor.  On a conference call with the chief
>> lens
>>>> designer he admitted that the current ASPH Summilux line was optimized
>>> for
>>>> 40mp.  So the APO Summicrons will be very desirable moving forward with
>>> the
>>>> new cameras coming.  As to IBIS, if Leica gets the high ISO performance
>>> up
>>>> to par then with the lenses you use on an M you will not especially
>> need
>>>> it.  The M platform usually lets you shoot much slower shutter speeds
>>> than
>>>> other cameras.  I always thought it was the viewfinder let you hold the
>>>> camera steadier as your eye could hold a point in the viewfinder
>> steady.
>>>> We will see.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 12:54 PM Frank Filippone via LUG <
>>> lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In 5 days, on January 13, the M11 will be formally introduced.
>>>>>
>>>>> In its most basic analysis, an M10 with a 60MP Sensor.
>>>>>
>>>>> It has a 60MP sensor. The external Visoflex it uses to allow for EVF
>>> type
>>>>> viewing will be new. No IBIS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trap door on the bottom to access SD Card and Battery. ( No more
>>> removable
>>>>> bottom!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Expected price is LESS than the M10 currently in the lineup.
>>>>> ( Probably the same sensor as the Sony A7riv, which sells for
>>> $3000-3500,
>>>>> with IBIS)
>>>>>
>>>>> I am//awaiting the M12, presumably WITH IBIS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once you use IBIS, you won't go back.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank Filipp
>>>>> BMWRed735i at Gmail.com
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> --
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