[Leica] Closed Parc - Don

Tue May 12 16:00:18 PDT 2020

Don, Philippe

Thanks for looking and commenting. I agree that’s stupid close the Urban Parks, with this reasonement they could close also the public places….There some stupid rules on this situation…. but….

Cheers / Amitiés
Lluis

> El 12 maig 2020, a les 22:54, Don Dory via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> va escriure:
> 
> HI, Phillipe.  My comments about US parks was more to reinforce the
> stupidity of some government officials.  My daughter had reservations for a
> camping spot in a Washington State park.  Reservations mean you don't get
> in the park without one.  Limited number of folks in the huge park.  Yet
> her reservation was cancelled, the park rangers couldn't cruise around the
> park ensuring that the rules were followed?  What the F&%k are the state
> employees doing with nobody allowed in the park.  Moving the conversation
> to Spain, once the stay in your home orders had been modified so different
> age groups could go outside at different times with restrictions the
> gendarmes could not keep a watch on the park to ensure that the rules were
> followed?  If we are going to have limited stay at home restrictions then
> ensuring the sanity of the public is of great importance to all involved.
> Letting people within reason enjoy a park helps to keep the populations
> sanity: if the population can't follow the rules then you close the park or
> whatever public space is in question with the explanation that some could
> not keep the rest of the citizens safe.
> 
> The various countries of course are free to set whatever policies that make
> sense for them.  Scenario 1 is that we have various forms of lockdowns
> until 50% or more of the population is vaccinated whenever a vaccine is
> created.  Managing the sanity of the citizens will be a careful balancing
> of limited freedoms carefully managed so that exposure to the virus is as
> low as possible.  In this scenario government finances are stretched to the
> limit as there is no income coming in.  Some organizations close forever as
> resources evaporate(workforce that choose not to be locked up, commitments
> for inputs that go to who can actually purchase the inputs and lock up said
> resources).
> 
> Scenario 2 is to start to open up your society as much as possible watching
> hospital resources carefully: the goal is to get as many people with
> antibodies as possible without overloading the medical resources
> available.  Here you will shut things down progressively if your medical
> resources begin to overload.  In this scenario deaths may increase
> dramatically if wrong calls are made.
> 
> Scenario 3 is the German model that allowed companies to remain open with
> strict monitoring of worker conditions to limit the spread of the virus.
> Social distancing is strongly enforced.  This is a middle path with
> possibly a middle mortality rate but incomes to the government are less
> affected.
> 
> Scenario 4 is large testing with police enforcement of quarantine as people
> are found to be infected.  This only works in small population countries
> with a strong social bond that trusts/obey authority.  It also only works
> when the infection is just starting and the infected are a relatively small
> number.  This would never work in Paris or NYC currently as too many are
> infected to trace the infections.
> 
> Scenario 5 is the Swedish model.  Essentially a variation on the German
> model with more choice by the citizens.  Currently a higher mortality rate
> than the nearest neighbors but maybe smarter if a vaccine is not developed
> in 6-18 months.
> 
> In the US we are essentially trying 1 and 2 simultaneously.  States like
> Georgia, Florida, Texas, Colorado, S. Dakota are working on #2.  NY,
> Washington State, Michigan, Pennsylvania appear to be trying #1.  The next
> few weeks will be enlightening.
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 2:43 PM Philippe via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> A tragedy yes.
>> 
>> Now, the rest of your reasonings is open to questions. Different places,
>> cultures, etc. Lluis's downtown parc is not a National Park in the US, etc.
>> 
>> Same virus though. Lethal for humans.
>> 
>> And all the more so if you drink bleach instead of cerveça ...
>> 
>> 
>> Amities
>> 
>> Philippe
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Le 12 mai 2020 à 21:33, Don Dory via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> a écrit :
>>> 
>>> That is a tragedy.  Sunlight and fresh air kill the virus.  People just
>>> need to keep their distance and/or wear a mask.  Several of our states
>> have
>>> closed their state parks for fear that people won't follow the rules.  If
>>> someone won't follow the rules in 10,000 hectares of forest they won't
>>> follow them walking down the street.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 1:57 PM Lluis Ripoll via LUG <
>> lug at leica-users.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> A Parc in confinement….
>>>> <
>>>> 
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Abstracts/20200512_L1020708.jpg.html
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Leica Monochrom (CCCD), Noctilux F1.0
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for looking, your c&c are welcome
>>>> 
>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>> Lluis
>>>> 
>>>> 
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