[Leica] IMGS: B&W

Lluis Ripoll lluisripollphotography at gmail.com
Mon Mar 4 07:46:54 PST 2019 

OK Tina, I also see what you mean, it’s clear, thank you!
Lluis


> El 4 març 2019, a les 16:14, Tina Manley via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> va escriure:
> 
> Yes, I see what you mean.  I don't use the color filters in Silver Efex
> with the Monochrome files.  I use contrast and structure and brightness
> which do affect the files.  I have made some presets that I use on most
> Monochrome files and also those that I convert from color to B&W.  I still
> find I get better results with Silver Efex than not.
> 
> Tina
> 
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 8:22 AM Lluis Ripoll via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Tina,
>> 
>> I have verified to apply diferent color filters with Silver Efex Pro on
>> B&W pictures from the Monochrom, or from film, or from converted to B&W
>> from M9 and the tones applying the filters don’t change at all. Because
>> once a file is converted to B&W the three color channels information
>> disappear, this is as well the basic concept to convert a sensor to a only
>> B&W sensor, eliminating the called Bayer filter on the sensor.
>> 
>> A different thing is when you are converting a file from any color camera
>> M9 etc…, you can apply the desired filter for change the effect on the B&W
>> conversion, but once is converted, at least me, I have no possibility to
>> modify it acting on the filers or color channels.
>> 
>> Please let me konw if you can do it, maybe I’m doing a wrong operation,
>> thank you!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Lluis
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> El 4 març 2019, a les 1:34, Tina Manley via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
>> va escriure:
>>> 
>>> I don't understand that Lluis.  When I apply Sliver Efex to MM images it
>>> definitely makes a difference in the tones.
>>> 
>>> Tina
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 7:32 AM Lluis Ripoll via LUG <lug at leica-users.org
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Tina,
>>>> 
>>>> If you apply a filter to a B&W picture from the Monochrom it makes no
>>>> effect on the tones, neither with Silver Efex Pro.
>>>> 
>>>> lluis
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> El 4 març 2019, a les 1:09, Tina Manley via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> va escriure:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, the MM is totally different from converting color.  I, however,
>>>> would
>>>>> not use actual filters on Leica lenses.  Any glass in front of the lens
>>>>> degrades it to some extent and increases the possibility of flares.
>>>> That's
>>>>> one area that I think digital is better.  Take the photo with the MM
>> and
>>>>> apply the digital filter later.  That way you still have the
>>>>> unmanipulated photo and can apply as many or as few filters as you
>> want,
>>>>> after the fact.  I really like Nik's Silver Efex for processing B&W.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tina
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 6:50 AM Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I really think and this shot illustrates it that they way to do black
>>>> and
>>>>>> white when your shooting digital is to use a digital camera or back.
>>>>>> Digital conversions done later have never quite made it for me. Once I
>>>> see
>>>>>> them in color I seldom feel like taking all the color out. I always
>> know
>>>>>> the colors are there. Shots I'd converted to black and white years
>> later
>>>>>> when I look at the original raw file again I end up keeping the color
>>>> when
>>>>>> I photoshop it again.
>>>>>> I hope the time comes when I can get set up with a Leica monochrome or
>>>>>> other digital black and white sensor and wow start investing in
>> filters
>>>> as
>>>>>> I don’t know if I can find the ones I used to use. My default was the
>>>> 060
>>>>>> B+W yellow green.  Is B+W  still in business it was owned by JSK
>>>> Schneider?
>>>>>> But I loved a darker green or red for sky shots. And others. But the
>>>> green
>>>>>> I used the most as they were the only ones which did not turn people
>> in
>>>> to
>>>>>> creatures from another planet.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>>>> Photographer
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 3/3/19, 12:11 PM, "LUG on behalf of Tina Manley via LUG"
>>>>>> <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of
>>>>>> lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  PESO:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  I posted a few B&W's from night markets:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  https://pbase.com/tinamanley/image/168874023
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  And next.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  I'll have lots more B&W when I get to some of people working but
>> they
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>  usually such colorful people that I took far more color than B&W.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  TIA for any comments.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Tina
>>>>>> 
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