[Leica] It's all your fault

Dennis Kushner dennis.leicam6 at gmail.com
Wed May 16 11:18:55 PDT 2018 

Uncle Ted correct as usual.

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj via LUG <
lug at leica-users.org> wrote:

> Ted,
> For most of your illustrious career, you obviously just handed over the
> roll of exposed film to a guy in the newspaper/magazine darkroom, and he
> did the rest, so I guess that was a perfect KISS. I agree, I would not mind
> having such a facility to turn to in these digital times, but
> unfortunately, not having one, I am forced to do my own dirty work! 😊
>
> My view is that a RAW image is like an unexposed roll of film, which can
> then be processed a million different ways instead of just one fixed way.
> Being of a curious bent of mind, and not having to do this for a living, as
> well as having ample time to spare, I enjoy tinkering around with myriad
> different approaches when processing an image..That is brilliant and
> extremely enjoyable. Nothing in the world will let me forego that
> flexibility and pleasure as far as photography is concerned.
>
> By the way, This had to be done twice, when developing and printing, with a
> pretty much hit or miss method, with really nasty chemicals, even in the
> old days. There was no element of KISS about it, it was hard difficult
> work, and any correction was a major PITA!
>
> Cheers
> Jayanand
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 10:23 PM, Aram via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Ted, and happy Almost Birthday.
> >
> > If we all had your talent, Adobe would be out of business.  But I will
> bet
> > even you did a few things in the darkroom to improve your negatives.  Am
> I
> > right?  But that was a negative where the camera did absolutely nothing.
> > A
> > real RAW image.  Today's cameras do have to perform a bit of magic just
> to
> > get the image from the sensor to the card in a from the computer can
> read.
> > And they do make rank novices seem like they actually know something
> about
> > photography.
> >
> > Aram
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ted Grant
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:32 PM
> > To: 'Leica Users Group'
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] It's all your fault
> >
> > Hi Nathan,
> > Absolutely screwing around with all the dickie doo dad computer
> > possibilities means only one thing?
> > "THE PHOTOGRAPHER SCREWED UP TO START WHEN HE OR SHE WENT CLICK!"
> > Most of the time while reading e-mails regarding the crew's photos and
> > using
> > the fixer-up things? Hell I don't have a clue what you're talking about.
> > When I shoot stuff, 99.9%,it's tap "print key" and what comes out first
> is
> > what you get! :-)
> > I mean, doesn't all this new fangled stuff supposed to be automatically
> > fixing images?
> > I've always attempted to shoot it right the first time without screwing
> > around attempting TO FIX a screwed-up photo first taken.
> > Besides me being 89 yrs. on MAY 27.2018!
> > I figure I can't be bothered screwing around "fixing?" a fat ass photo
> > poorly shot the first click?
> > Have a good day everyone.
> > Dr. Ted Grant  O.C.
> > ==============================
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > Nathan Wajsman
> > Sent: May-13-18 11:43 AM
> > To: Leica Users Group
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] It's all your fault
> >
> > Right on. I do not even have Photoshop anymore. LR is more than enough.
> If
> > I
> > have to spend 1/2 hour manipulating an image in a piece of software to
> > make
> > it look decent, then I have screwed up at the time of taking the picture.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Nathan
> >
> > Nathan Wajsman
> > Alicante, Spain
> > http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/>
> > http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu
> > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
> > <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
> > <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/>
> > Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator
> > <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator>
> > YNWA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 13 May 2018, at 20:29, Aram via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Seldom and with resentment?  I don't think so.  I will wager that most
> > > people who use LR use it as their main tool for photography.  I so
> > rarely
> > > go
> > > to PS now.  LR is so much easier and does 99.9% of what I want to do.
> I
> > > import directly into it, organize, keyword, name my photos there.  Do
> > > almost
> > > all my processing there, with the exception of blending photos for
> Depth
> > > of
> > > Field, and the rare major editing I need to do as far as removing
> objects
> > > that I could not perform while taking the photo or in LR.  I do all my
> > > printing and exporting to share in LR.  Photoshop is ALMOST a waste of
> > > time
> > > and hard drive space.      ALMOST....
> > >
> > > It took a while to get there from PS, but starting with the first
> > version
> > > of
> > > LR, and getting use to the mindset of nondestructive editing, there is
> no
> > > resentment in using LR.  The only resentment is towards the
> subscription
> > > model that Adobe and others have started to use.
> > >
> > > Aram
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mark Rabiner
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 12:41 AM
> > > To: Leica Users Group
> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] It's all your fault
> > >
> > > The reason why everyone does not switch and join up right off the bat
> is
> > > because we're talking about software that a large percentage of people
> > use
> > > seldom and with resentment. They'd rather just skip it.
> > > What's wanted is for photography now to be like in the good old days
> when
> > > you clicked it and forgot it. Just remember which drug store you
> brought
> > > it
> > > too.  People want a hands off approach to photography. They want it un
> > > touched by human hands especially their own..
> > > It's one thing to buy cheap software but paying for it every month
> seems
> > > like one is sending off the wrong message. And the message is "I can't
> be
> > > bothered". And they really want everyone who does care to hear it.
> Often.
> > > The majority of photo enthusiasts could more accurately be called
> camera
> > > enthusiasts who could more accurately be called money enthusiasts.
> > > You can't really call them camera lovers as cameras just pass though
> > their
> > > hands like its nothing.
> > > Making a commitment to the final result of their images is so far
> beyond
> > > the
> > > point it's not even funny.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Mark William Rabiner
> > > Photographer
> > >
> > > On 5/12/18, 10:55 PM, "LUG on behalf of Jayanand Govindaraj via LUG"
> > > <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of
> > > lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >    I still cannot, for the life of me, understand why everybody does
> not
> > >    switch, it is that convenient and at a very reasonable cost. Is
> > cutting
> > >    your nose to spite your face standard practice?
> > >
> > >    As John Maynard Keynes once replied to a reporter who accused him of
> > >    changing his mind - "If the facts change, sir, I change my mind.
> Pray
> > > what
> > >    do you do?" :-)
> > >
> > >    Cheers
> > >    Jayanand
> > >
> > >    On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 3:12 AM, Brian Reid
> > > <reid at mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> > >    wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well, I just drank the kool-aid (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> > >> Drinking_the_Kool-Aid if you don't know what that means), and then
> > > bought
> > >> a year's subscription to Adobe CC. There were too many "last straw"
> > >> situations and I found I was wasting time trying to find workarounds.
> > >>
> > >> I know I can still use my trusty Photoshop CS6 and Dreamweaver CS6 if
> > >> needed, but InDesign CS6 is generating warning messages from the
> > > operating
> > >> system and Camera Raw CS6 fell out of its wheelchair.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for all of the commentary and opinions.
> > >>
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