[Leica] Subject: ....advice, Now NUDITY .

Thu May 10 12:14:58 PDT 2018

Me too (no pun intended). When we look at the classical sculptures and paintings, say from 500 years ago, the gender ratio seems much more equal than today. Aside from Mapplethorpe, I am not aware of any art photographer who was successful with male nudes, and Mapplethorpe was extremely controversial. In the fashion world, I know one successful advertising/commercial photographer who photographs more male than female models, but they are not nudes, since the purpose of the shoots is to sell clothes (admittedly sexy clothes, but still clothes).

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Nathan

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> On 10 May 2018, at 21:03, Tina Manley via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
> 
> I agree with Jayanand:  "The problem I always have with this genre of
> photography
> is that none of them take photographs of men in kinky situations, only
> women, just helping in objectifying the latter as sexy, naughty dolls."
> 
> It's all about objectifying women.
> 
> Amen.
> 
> Tina
> 
> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj via LUG <
> lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
> 
>> Douglas,
>> TFS. I had never heard of her, and it is always pleasurable to look at a
>> newly discovered (by me, not the world at large) body of work.
>> 
>> She would justify the output, wouldn't she, as that is how she makes her
>> moolah.
>> 
>> She seems to be influenced by Helmut Newton, for the kinkiness evident in
>> her photographs. The problem I always have with this genre of photography
>> is that none of them take photographs of men in kinky situations, only
>> women, just helping in objectifying the latter as sexy, naughty dolls. Give
>> Mapplethorpe credit on that one, even though he was also creating another
>> set of sexy, naughty dolls, just for a different audience!
>> 
>> That said she really does make some of the models, especially the young
>> Claudia Schiffer look absolutely ravishing.
>> 
>> All in all, not my cup of tea. YMMV.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Jayanand
>> 
>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> wrote:
>> 
>>> I happened to hear a bit of BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour this morning which
>>> had a brief interview with Ellen von Unwerth the German photographer who
>>> seems to specialise in the somewhat provocative photography of women. She
>>> has an interesting take on this subject and it can be heard on this  link
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b1p5kc at 11 mins 15 secs in.
>>> 
>>> I see Vogue a woman's mag has also an article on her.
>>> http://www.vogue.co.uk/article/ellen-von-unwerth-interview
>>> 
>>> Douglas
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 9, 2018, at 6:55 PM, Geoff Hopkinson via LUG <lug at leica-users.org
>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello all. I mainly follow via browsing the archives. I thought that
>> this
>>>>> thread contained many little insights into attitudes of those posting.
>>>>> Quite a mix of subjects included.
>>>>> To focus on the photography only I edited out comments I was going to
>>>>> include regarding Facebook, Me Too and Russian activities.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I regularly shoot fashion nude as Ted knows. Those models are adult
>>>>> women,
>>>>> in charge of themselves and almost always well paid professionals who
>>>>> have
>>>>> chosen to specialise in that modelling genre.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I see no exploitation nor power imbalance in that scenario. The
>> opposite
>>>>> in fact, where genuine photographers go to lengths to ensure that the
>>>>> model
>>>>> is respected and comfortable.
>>>>> Shooting nudes is anything but sexual, or should be. It brings its own
>>>>> challenges for light and pose and beauty.
>>>>> I can predict what any one of those women would have to say, regarding
>>>>> being exploitation, or power imbalance or being told what they should
>> do
>>>>> etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I looked at the link provided and noticed a lot of work that I think
>> fits
>>>>> Tina's characterisation of salacious and unenjoyable. I think it would
>> be
>>>>> unfair to label the whole genre in that way.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I stopped sharing any images whether fashion/beauty or with any nudity
>> in
>>>>> the LUG simply because they didn't seem to fit with anything anyone
>> else
>>>>> shares.
>>>>> Worse though (not specific to the LUG) is where the only comments might
>>>>> actually be a personal comment about the model's body, not of the
>>>>> photography.
>>>>> I hate tattoos or she needs a good feed or the like.  That attitude and
>>>>> if
>>>>> people want to impose their own standards on others, I see as a society
>>>>> problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Geoff
>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>> 
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