[Leica] Fwd: Re: Selling for the SL

Mon May 8 12:48:39 PDT 2017

Yes. I don't agree with Brian, but do with the concerns posted by others. I won't invest any more with my Sony body with Novoflex M mount.  

Thanks Sonny. 

Bob Adler
www.robertadlerphotography.com

> On May 8, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Brian Smith has had a discussion on the stars issue this week:  Scroll down
> to the middle of the page:
> 
> http://briansmith.com/sony-releases-a7rii-firmware-update-3-30/
> 
>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Bob Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The terrible Sony QC of Sony lenses plus this have soured me to Sony:
>> https://petapixel.com/2017/05/04/star-eater-issue-no-longer-
>> recommend-sony-cameras-astrophotography/
>> We shall see...
>> 
>> Bob Adler
>> www.robertadlerphotography.com
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2017, at 12:34 PM, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My axiom is always that if someone wants a Leica, regardless which model,
>>> and can afford it, then go get it. Because we know otherwise the itch
>> will
>>> always be there :-)
>>> 
>>> I no longer have the itch, lack of $$ cures that, but obviously Bob knows
>>> and likes Leica, and if the SL entices, it would not make sense for him
>> NOT
>>> to get it.
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Some comments... Compared to the Sony A7rII at 42mp, the SL is not that
>>>> intriguing. The advantage to higher mp cameras is that for the same
>> pixel
>>>> image size, you can use a shorter lens...ie, one less lens to carry.
>> Ditto
>>>> the M10. At our ages, travel is more fun with lighter camera bags.
>>>> The SL is not that great with WA M lenses. Neither is the Sony. Bob has
>>>> the thin glass cover plate modification, giving better performance than
>> the
>>>> stock Sony. Is it better or worse than the SL? Call it a wash. The M10
>> wins
>>>> this round, hands down.
>>>> If you change lenses less frequently, you will have less dust to clean
>>>> from your sensor. Zooms are good. M loses out.
>>>> The Sony offers better noise performance at higher ISO than either
>> Leica.
>>>> If you need it, it is there.
>>>> IBIS allows for M lenses to be stabilized. SL has lens based IS. No IS
>>>> for M lenses.
>>>> I can put adapters on the Sony or the SL to use different brands of
>>>> lenses. With the exception of S lenses on the SL ( I may have not
>>>> remembered Hassy H lenses or maybe some other MF lenses), all lenses
>>>> require the user to open up for focusing, then close down to working
>>>> aperture for shooting. The Sony allows for Nikon and Canon lneses for
>> auto
>>>> aperture. ( basically making N and C lenses native mount.
>>>> Obviously there is a price advantage to the Sony....$5k or more ain't
>>>> chicken feed.
>>>> 
>>>> I like the output from Tina from her SL images from Iran and Russia.
>>>> Superb is a better word for the technical output. But can I afford a 2
>> lens
>>>> system( no use for telephoto zooms). For $15k? Nope.  Amateurs that do
>> not
>>>> sell their work can not use future revenue streams as justification.
>>>> 
>>>> For me, the Sony body is the best current solution for travel. The
>>>> question of any / all / some M lenses is the issue. I am leaning on a
>>>> hybrid approach. Some native lenses, some M lenses some Nikon lenses.
>> Why
>>>> not? You CAN have the best of all worlds.
>>>> 
>>>> And yes, I do love my original A7. IBIS would be nice... as I hand held
>>>> at 1/15 all day yesterday. Churches are DARK,
>>>> Frank Filippone Red735i at verizon.net
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sunday, May 7, 2017, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Bob, if you want AF and zoom, even if for nothing else but for a (good)
>>>> change, then SL does look appealing. It's Leica, it handles M lens well
>>>> enough, it has AF zoom, it's just a bit bigger. What else do you want?
>>>> Unless you must have > 24MP. Otherwise, I don't see a downside. On Sat,
>> May
>>>> 6, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Bob Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: > Yes. Read
>> that.
>>>>> But I was hoping for some much better changes. A high price to pay
>> either
>>>>> choice! > > Bob Adler > www.robertadlerphotography.com > > > On May 6,
>>>> 2017, at 1:04 PM, Leo Wesson <leowesson at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I
>>>> didn't buy one but I liked the 10 much more that the 240. Starts >
>> faster,
>>>> wakes up from sleep quicker, better high ISO results and the > buffer
>>>> doesn't clog up. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Leo Wesson > > Leowesson.com >
>>> 
>>>> 817-733-9157 > > > >> On May 6, 2017, at 14:16, Bob Adler <
>>>> rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Leo, > >> No, I'm not. I do
>>>> not see much benefit over the 240. And the zoom on > the SL makes it a
>>>> great travel kit for me, as well as the autofocus and IS. > >> TO ME the
>>>> M10 isn't much of a change from the 240. > >> Best, > >> Bob > >> > >>
>> Bob
>>>> Adler > >> www.robertadlerphotography.com > >> > >>> On May 6, 2017, at
>>>> 9:37 AM, Leo Wesson <leowesson at gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Bob, >
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Are you not considering the M10? > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks! > >>> >
>>>>> 
>>>> Leo Wesson > >>> Leowesson.com > >>> 817-733-9157 > >>> > >>>> On May
>> 6,
>>>> 2017, at 11:29, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> If
>>>> you Google M240 sensor compared to SL sensor, you will get lots of >
>>>>>> 
>>>> comparisons. Ditto with M lenses on both. > >>>> > >>>> Good luck! >
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Tina > >>>> > >>>>> On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Bob Adler <
>>>> rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Desire the zooms for
>> travel... >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bob Adler > >>>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com > >>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> On May 5, 2017, at 9:15 PM, Richard Ma
>>>> n < > richard at richardmanphoto.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I
>>>> don't have the SL, nor even the M240, but is "image quality, vs > the >
>>>>>>>>> M240, > >>>>>> significantly improved with M lenses" to be your
>>>> primary objective? > If > >>>>> so, > >>>>>> I can't imagine how the SL
>>>> would be significantly better than the > M240 > >>>>> with > >>>>>> M
>> lens.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Bob Adler <
>>>> rgacpa at gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hello all. > >>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm contemplating selling some gear (M240, M21mm/1,4 ASPH, Sony >
>>>> A7r II > >>>>>>> modified by Kolarivision for Leica WA lenses) plus some
>>>> cash for > an SL > >>>>> and > >>>>>>> the 24-90. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>> Two
>>>> questions: > >>>>>>> 1. Given a large collection of recent generation M
>>>> lenses, are > there any > >>>>>>> known issues? MINOR degradation at the
>>>> corners of images made with > WA > >>>>>>> lenses used wide open are
>> not a
>>>> big deal to me. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2. Is there a noticeable pos
>>>> itive difference in raw files? What > >>>>>>> differences (positive or
>>>> negative). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Bottom line, is the image quality, vs the
>>>> M240, significantly > improved > >>>>>>> with M lenses to warrant this
>>>> move? Not really talking about the > >>>>>>> differences in how one
>> works
>>>> with the two systems. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks in advance for your
>> input,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bob > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Bob Adler > >>>>>> >
>>>> 
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