[Leica] Fwd: Re: Selling for the SL

[Richard Man]

My axiom is always that if someone wants a Leica, regardless which model,
and can afford it, then go get it. Because we know otherwise the itch will
always be there :-)

I no longer have the itch, lack of $$ cures that, but obviously Bob knows
and likes Leica, and if the SL entices, it would not make sense for him NOT
to get it.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>
> Some comments... Compared to the Sony A7rII at 42mp, the SL is not that
> intriguing. The advantage to higher mp cameras is that for the same pixel
> image size, you can use a shorter lens...ie, one less lens to carry. Ditto
> the M10. At our ages, travel is more fun with lighter camera bags.
>  The SL is not that great with WA M lenses. Neither is the Sony. Bob has
> the thin glass cover plate modification, giving better performance than the
> stock Sony. Is it better or worse than the SL? Call it a wash. The M10 wins
> this round, hands down.
>  If you change lenses less frequently, you will have less dust to clean
> from your sensor. Zooms are good. M loses out.
> The Sony offers better noise performance at higher ISO than either Leica.
> If you need it, it is there.
>  IBIS allows for M lenses to be stabilized. SL has lens based IS. No IS
> for M lenses.
>  I can put adapters on the Sony or the SL to use different brands of
> lenses. With the exception of S lenses on the SL ( I may have not
> remembered Hassy H lenses or maybe some other MF lenses), all lenses
> require the user to open up for focusing, then close down to working
> aperture for shooting. The Sony allows for Nikon and Canon lneses for auto
> aperture. ( basically making N and C lenses native mount.
> Obviously there is a price advantage to the Sony....$5k or more ain't
> chicken feed.
>
>  I like the output from Tina from her SL images from Iran and Russia.
> Superb is a better word for the technical output. But can I afford a 2 lens
> system( no use for telephoto zooms). For $15k? Nope.  Amateurs that do not
> sell their work can not use future revenue streams as justification.
>
>  For me, the Sony body is the best current solution for travel. The
> question of any / all / some M lenses is the issue. I am leaning on a
> hybrid approach. Some native lenses, some M lenses some Nikon lenses. Why
> not? You CAN have the best of all worlds.
>
>  And yes, I do love my original A7. IBIS would be nice... as I hand held
> at 1/15 all day yesterday. Churches are DARK,
>  Frank Filippone Red735i at verizon.net
>
>
> On Sunday, May 7, 2017, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote:
> Bob, if you want AF and zoom, even if for nothing else but for a (good)
> change, then SL does look appealing. It's Leica, it handles M lens well
> enough, it has AF zoom, it's just a bit bigger. What else do you want?
> Unless you must have > 24MP. Otherwise, I don't see a downside. On Sat, May
> 6, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Bob Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: > Yes. Read that.
> > But I was hoping for some much better changes. A high price to pay either
> > choice! > > Bob Adler > www.robertadlerphotography.com > > > On May 6,
> 2017, at 1:04 PM, Leo Wesson <leowesson at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I
> didn't buy one but I liked the 10 much more that the 240. Starts > faster,
> wakes up from sleep quicker, better high ISO results and the > buffer
> doesn't clog up. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Leo Wesson > > Leowesson.com > >
> 817-733-9157 > > > >> On May 6, 2017, at 14:16, Bob Adler <
> rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Leo, > >> No, I'm not. I do
>   not see much benefit over the 240. And the zoom on > the SL makes it a
> great travel kit for me, as well as the autofocus and IS. > >> TO ME the
> M10 isn't much of a change from the 240. > >> Best, > >> Bob > >> > >> Bob
> Adler > >> www.robertadlerphotography.com > >> > >>> On May 6, 2017, at
> 9:37 AM, Leo Wesson <leowesson at gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Bob, > >>> >
> >>> Are you not considering the M10? > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks! > >>> > >>>
> Leo Wesson > >>> Leowesson.com > >>> 817-733-9157 > >>> > >>>> On May 6,
> 2017, at 11:29, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> If
> you Google M240 sensor compared to SL sensor, you will get lots of > >>>>
> comparisons. Ditto with M lenses on both. > >>>> > >>>> Good luck! > >>>> >
> >>>> Tina > >>>> > >>>>> On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Bob Adler <
> rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Desire the zooms for travel... >
> >>>>> > >>>>> Bob Adler > >>>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com > >>>>> >
> >>>>>> On May 5, 2017, at 9:15 PM, Richard Ma
>  n < > richard at richardmanphoto.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I
> don't have the SL, nor even the M240, but is "image quality, vs > the >
> >>>>> M240, > >>>>>> significantly improved with M lenses" to be your
> primary objective? > If > >>>>> so, > >>>>>> I can't imagine how the SL
> would be significantly better than the > M240 > >>>>> with > >>>>>> M lens.
> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Bob Adler <
> rgacpa at gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hello all. > >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> I'm contemplating selling some gear (M240, M21mm/1,4 ASPH, Sony >
> A7r II > >>>>>>> modified by Kolarivision for Leica WA lenses) plus some
> cash for > an SL > >>>>> and > >>>>>>> the 24-90. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Two
> questions: > >>>>>>> 1. Given a large collection of recent generation M
> lenses, are > there any > >>>>>>> known issues? MINOR degradation at the
> corners of images made with > WA > >>>>>>> lenses used wide open are not a
> big deal to me. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2. Is there a noticeable pos
>  itive difference in raw files? What > >>>>>>> differences (positive or
> negative). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Bottom line, is the image quality, vs the
> M240, significantly > improved > >>>>>>> with M lenses to warrant this
> move? Not really talking about the > >>>>>>> differences in how one works
> with the two systems. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks in advance for your input,
> > >>>>>>> Bob > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Bob Adler > >>>>>> >
>
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