[Leica] sensor corrosion

Sat Mar 12 18:00:43 PST 2016

Steve,

The only information I obtain is from the LFI chats about this point, I have fast followed the emails and it looks that after late January Leica is replacing the MM sensors with a new sensor with a new coating protecting against corrosion, here you have the link:

<http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/255272-monochrom-ccd-replacement-sensor-vs-swap/>

But unfortunately no official announcement on Leica Website or Blog…! Incredible!!! All the information I have is from persons in the LFI that they say they have wrote to Leica and Leica has said…Bla..bla..bla..

Cheers
Lluis

> El 13 març 2016, a les 2:54, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com> va escriure:
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>> On Mar 12, 2016, at 5:45 PM, lluisripollphotography <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Tina and all members,
>> 
>> It is really complicated have information from the Leica website, I went to the LFI Forum and it is announced the 1st September 2015 the replacement for M9 sensors, not yet for the MM, on this announcement there is a source, you click there and you obtain the Official Leica announcement, where they are talking about NEW sensors for the M9:
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>> <http://en.leica-camera.com/World-of-Leica/Leica-News/About-Leica-News/Global/2015/Update-CCD-Sensor>
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>> However, a friend said me that the same thing has been announced about one or two months ago for the MM, even that Leica has said that they have a delay of 4 months replacing the sensors, the interested persons shall ask Leica to give them a reference number and date to send the cameras.
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>> After this mail I will try to search the announcement for the MM
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> you heard about all the monkees, randomly pounding on their typewriters. Eventually they may get a novel written, but a coherent leica policy on sensors?
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> steve
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>> Cheers
>> Lluis
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>>> El 13 març 2016, a les 0:53, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> va escriure:
>>> 
>>> Lluis -
>>> 
>>> This is the latest news I can find on Leica's site:
>>> 
>>> https://us.leica-camera.com/World-of-Leica/Leica-News/About-Leica-News/Global/2015/Latest-information-CCD-sensors
>>> 
>>> Maybe they have finished all of the testing?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tina
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 5:01 PM, lluisripollphotography <
>>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Tina
>>>> 
>>>> As far as I know the new replaced sensors for the M9 and MM will be not
>>>> affected by corrosion. The new sensor for the M9 was announced maybe 10
>>>> months ago, and the new sensor for the MM has been announced about one or
>>>> two months ago, it was more difficult develop the new one for the MM and
>>>> for this reason it has appeared later.
>>>> 
>>>> Lluis
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> El 12 març 2016, a les 22:47, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> va
>>>> escriure:
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, I'm right:
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have now identified the problem and are currently concentrating our
>>>>> efforts on finding a permanent technical solution. The marks on images
>>>>> mentioned earlier are related to the properties of the CCD sensor. The
>>>>> sensors are equipped with a specially coated IR filter cover glass to
>>>>> ensure optimum imaging performance. Should this coating layer be damaged,
>>>>> corrosion effects that alter the filter surface may begin to appear after
>>>>> several years.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The effect described does not affect the CMOS sensor of the Leica M (Typ
>>>>> 240). Should you be considering an upgrade from your camera to a Leica M
>>>> or
>>>>> M-P (Typ 240), Customer Care would be pleased to make you an attractive
>>>>> offer following a check of your camera and under consideration of the
>>>> model
>>>>> and its age.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tina
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't think so.  I think the new sensor is in the M240 and doesn't
>>>> apply
>>>>>> to the M9.  My understanding is that they will keep replacing the
>>>> sensors
>>>>>> for the M9 as long as they fail but they are still subject to
>>>> corrosion.  I
>>>>>> could be wrong, though.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tina
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Scott Gregory <scottgregory at mac.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I was under the impression that with the M9 they were now replacing the
>>>>>>> sensor with the long awaited "new" one developed rather than the same
>>>>>>> sensor???
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> They will replace the sensor for free or give you an upgrade to the
>>>>>>> M240 and/or the M246. Replacing the sensor runs the risk of corrosion
>>>> again.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Tina
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016, at 3:20 PM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I finally woke up to the possibility that this may be an issue with
>>>> my
>>>>>>> M9 and my M monochrome. Bob Adler has been very kind in helping with
>>>> some
>>>>>>> of the issues, and answering my questions.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Has this been a common problem? Can one search for damage with a
>>>> slate
>>>>>>> grey sky instead of blue? What sort of refund can one expect if damage
>>>> is
>>>>>>> found? I assume the 246 is the trade in option for the monochrome,
>>>> what is
>>>>>>> the trade in option for the M9?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Other observations and your thoughts are appreciated.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> many thanks,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Tina Manley
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