[Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: (SPAM: ?) Re: BIG new Leica - TINA

Fri Oct 23 14:11:42 PDT 2015

Erwin has referred over the years a lot to this size constraint on Leica
glass especially I think to the wides.

On 10/23/15 12:11 PM, "Frank Dernie" <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com> wrote:

> I read an interview with the Leica lens designer many years ago where he said
> it was much easier to design an exceptional lens if size is not a constraint.
> He said the biggest limitation on getting the best possible performance from M
> lenses was that they had to be physically small.
The latest trend in SLR
> lenses has been ultra sharp lenses for the high resolution sensors and the
> primes by Zeiss and Sigma Art are v-a-s-t.
FWIW

> On 22 Oct 2015, at 22:31,
> Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> 
> The first made for the camera
> lens is this big zoom but soon to come will be
> prime lenses which I do
> believe might be worth the wait which I don't think
> will be very long. The
> thing after all is a Leica and deserves to not have a
> super front heavy
> configuration to it. Sure Leica R's and SL's had big zooms
> people used for
> them but was not the first thing they grabbed as they rushed
> out the door..
> People put 50's and 60's on them. and prime wides.
> Lenses which said
> "Summicron" on them. And Super-Angulon.
> 
> And you'll feel something akin to
> the electric thrill I once enjoyed when
> Gilmore, Liberatti, Pat Conway, The
> Great Creatore, W.C. Handy and John
> Philip Sousa all came to town on the
> very same historic day.
> 
> 
> On 10/22/15 4:36 PM, "Tina Manley"
> <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> You can use all of the Leica M and R lenses
> on it with adapters but they
> won't
>> be autofocus.  Supposedly the very
> large, bright viewfinder makes it
> easier to
>> manually focus them.
> 
>
> Tina
> 
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Mark Rabiner
>>
> <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> The Leica SL with a small lens on it
> would
>> be near pocketable (jacket
>> exterior pocket) unlike the Nikon. But
> like the
>> M
>> 
>> I think we need to not define a camera body by the
> stupidly huge lens
>> 
>> someone puts on it. Any camera body can have a
> modest to compact optic on>
>> front of it instead of a metal munching fast
> zoom or a zoom with an overly
>> 
>> wide range... And VR makes a lens way
> heavier and I think bulkier.
>> 
>> I'm
>> saying put more Leicalike glass in
> front of these bodies and we can see
>> how
>> they compare with an M with a
> typical M optic on it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/22/15
>> 3:50 PM, "Aram
> Langhans" <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Interesting.  He
>> also seems
> to state it has better image quality than
>> the M.
>>> Here is a
>>
> quote:
>>> 
>>> "The SL is not a cheap camera  EUR6,000+ for the body and
> a
>> further
>>> EUR4,000+ for each lens makes this the preserve of the
> very
>> wealthy,
>> though
>>> in reality I suspect most of Leica¹s existing
> audience
>> will see this one
>> as
>>> a no-brainer. M lenses are now
> virtually native, as
>> are R lenses; they¹re
>>> easy to focus and image
> quality is better than from
>> the M cameras. It
>> would
>>> have been nice
> to see more resolution, but I
>> suspect this might have
>> eaten
>>>
> uncomfortably into S system sales. I
>> actually suspect this camera is
> the
>>> beginning of the end of the M
>> resurgence  a typical complaint from
> M
>> users
>>> I know is one of
>> deteriorating eyesight and difficulty in
> achieving
>> focus.
>>> We no longer
>> have that problem. And for those used
> to paying $7,000+ for
>> a
>>> body, the
>> SL isn¹t a stretch at all."
>>>
> 
>>> He also goes on a bit about the size.
>> BIG
>>> 
>>> Aram Langhans
>>>
> (Semi) Retired  Science Teacher
>>> & Unemployed
>> photographer
>>> 
>>> ³The
> Human Genome Project has proved Darwin more right
>> than Darwin
>>
> himself
>>> would ever have dared dream.²   James D. Watson
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John McMaster
>>
> [mailto:john at mcmaster.fr]
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:58 AM
>>>
> 
>> To: 'Leica Users Group' <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] BIG
> new
>> Leica - TINA
>>> 
>>> It is the lenses, almost same size and weight as
> S
>> lenses!
>>> 
>>> 
>>
> https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5790/21615453253_1c85b372e2_c.jpg
>>> 
>>>
> SL
>> compared to a D810 with 24-120/4 lens....
>>> 
>>> (from
>>> 
>>
> http://blog.mingthein.com/2015/10/21/premiere-review-2015-leica-sl-601/
>>
> )
>> 
>>> 
>>> john
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> 
>>> It's
> really not that
>> big of a camera, but folks are hung up on this idea
>>>
> that a mirrorless
>> camera has to be a tiny little thing.
>>> SL size
> compared to a digital M:
>>> 
>> https://tinyurl.com/ppbdsr8
>>> 
>>> I look
> forward to seeing what you can do
>> with it, Tina.
>>> 
>>> Jay
>>> 
>>> On
> 10/21/2015 3:17 PM, Tina Manley wrote:
>> 
>>>> Has anybody posted a photo of
> it compared to the size of the M9 or the> >>
>> M240?  The Sony and Fuji
> mirrorless cameras are actually too small and
>>>> 
>> too light for me.
>>>>
> 
>>>> Tina
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>
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