[Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: BIG new Leica - TINA

Fri Oct 23 09:11:09 PDT 2015

I read an interview with the Leica lens designer many years ago where he said it was much easier to design an exceptional lens if size is not a constraint. He said the biggest limitation on getting the best possible performance from M lenses was that they had to be physically small.
The latest trend in SLR lenses has been ultra sharp lenses for the high resolution sensors and the primes by Zeiss and Sigma Art are v-a-s-t.
FWIW

> On 22 Oct 2015, at 22:31, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> 
> The first made for the camera lens is this big zoom but soon to come will be
> prime lenses which I do believe might be worth the wait which I don't think
> will be very long. The thing after all is a Leica and deserves to not have a
> super front heavy configuration to it. Sure Leica R's and SL's had big zooms
> people used for them but was not the first thing they grabbed as they rushed
> out the door.. People put 50's and 60's on them. and prime wides.
> Lenses which said "Summicron" on them. And Super-Angulon.
> 
> And you'll feel something akin to the electric thrill I once enjoyed when
> Gilmore, Liberatti, Pat Conway, The Great Creatore, W.C. Handy and John
> Philip Sousa all came to town on the very same historic day.
> 
> 
> On 10/22/15 4:36 PM, "Tina Manley" <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> You can use all of the Leica M and R lenses on it with adapters but they
> won't
>> be autofocus.  Supposedly the very large, bright viewfinder makes it
> easier to
>> manually focus them.
> 
> Tina
> 
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Mark Rabiner
>> <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> The Leica SL with a small lens on it would
>> be near pocketable (jacket
>> exterior pocket) unlike the Nikon. But like the
>> M
>> 
>> I think we need to not define a camera body by the stupidly huge lens
>> 
>> someone puts on it. Any camera body can have a modest to compact optic on>
>> front of it instead of a metal munching fast zoom or a zoom with an overly
>> 
>> wide range... And VR makes a lens way heavier and I think bulkier.
>> 
>> I'm
>> saying put more Leicalike glass in front of these bodies and we can see
>> how
>> they compare with an M with a typical M optic on it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/22/15
>> 3:50 PM, "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Interesting.  He
>> also seems to state it has better image quality than
>> the M.
>>> Here is a
>> quote:
>>> 
>>> "The SL is not a cheap camera  EUR6,000+ for the body and a
>> further
>>> EUR4,000+ for each lens makes this the preserve of the very
>> wealthy,
>> though
>>> in reality I suspect most of Leica¹s existing audience
>> will see this one
>> as
>>> a no-brainer. M lenses are now virtually native, as
>> are R lenses; they¹re
>>> easy to focus and image quality is better than from
>> the M cameras. It
>> would
>>> have been nice to see more resolution, but I
>> suspect this might have
>> eaten
>>> uncomfortably into S system sales. I
>> actually suspect this camera is the
>>> beginning of the end of the M
>> resurgence  a typical complaint from M
>> users
>>> I know is one of
>> deteriorating eyesight and difficulty in achieving
>> focus.
>>> We no longer
>> have that problem. And for those used to paying $7,000+ for
>> a
>>> body, the
>> SL isn¹t a stretch at all."
>>> 
>>> He also goes on a bit about the size.
>> BIG
>>> 
>>> Aram Langhans
>>> (Semi) Retired  Science Teacher
>>> & Unemployed
>> photographer
>>> 
>>> ³The Human Genome Project has proved Darwin more right
>> than Darwin
>> himself
>>> would ever have dared dream.²   James D. Watson
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John McMaster
>> [mailto:john at mcmaster.fr]
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:58 AM
>>> 
>> To: 'Leica Users Group' <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] BIG new
>> Leica - TINA
>>> 
>>> It is the lenses, almost same size and weight as S
>> lenses!
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5790/21615453253_1c85b372e2_c.jpg
>>> 
>>> SL
>> compared to a D810 with 24-120/4 lens....
>>> 
>>> (from
>>> 
>> http://blog.mingthein.com/2015/10/21/premiere-review-2015-leica-sl-601/
>> )
>> 
>>> 
>>> john
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> 
>>> It's really not that
>> big of a camera, but folks are hung up on this idea
>>> that a mirrorless
>> camera has to be a tiny little thing.
>>> SL size compared to a digital M:
>>> 
>> https://tinyurl.com/ppbdsr8
>>> 
>>> I look forward to seeing what you can do
>> with it, Tina.
>>> 
>>> Jay
>>> 
>>> On 10/21/2015 3:17 PM, Tina Manley wrote:
>> 
>>>> Has anybody posted a photo of it compared to the size of the M9 or the> >>
>> M240?  The Sony and Fuji mirrorless cameras are actually too small and
>>>> 
>> too light for me.
>>>> 
>>>> Tina
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> 
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