[Leica] IMGS: Comparing SL and M240 and 19R and Noctilux

Mon Nov 30 16:35:46 PST 2015

Thanks, Aram.  It's nice to know somebody is listening ;-)

Tina

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Aram Langhans <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I was a bit late to see these and all I got was unknown photo errors.
> Tina informed me she took them down because of all the complaining about
> her methods.  I think that is pretty sad.  She is without a doubt one of
> the most knowledgeable and talented photographer in this group.  And she
> was spending the time to share her experiences, almost in real time.  I
> would love to meet her one day and learn from her.  If you don't want to
> see what she is doing, just don't look.
>
> Sorry, Tina.  Don’t let those curmudgeons get to  you.  If they don’t want
> to see what you are doing they can ignore you.  I am sure there are plenty
> of people who do like to see how your are testing/learning how to use your
> new camera.   I surely was one.  It is interesting to see how a different
> person goes through the process of learning something.  One can learn just
> as much from the process as from the actual outcome.  As a teacher I would
> think a class was a failure if I myself did not learn from my students a
> thing or two about the teaching process, or even the subject matter itself
> when they would ask questions I had not though of.  It is so good to have
> someone like you going through the steps of learning the SL, and posting
> your results.  It then brings up questions that people have and you have
> answered them.  Reading a review from someone you don't know is so static.
> You can't ask questions and get answers quickly.  They might not even have
> the camera anymore to try things and answer the questions.
>
> So, I would encourage you to keep posting so those of us who are
> interested can learn from the process as well as from the results, and just
> let the curmudgeons be.
>
> Aram
>
> PS.  I don't think I have ever used the word curmudgeons in a real
> conversation.  Thanks for the opportunity, as sad as it might me.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Tina Manley
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 2:01 PM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] IMGS: Comparing SL and M240 and 19R and Noctilux
>
> Because several people asked me to and I was trying to be co-operative!
>
> Tina
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:59 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> wrote:
>
> Then why bother testing or comparing? Just practice for what you bought it
>> for ;-)
>>
>> john
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> I'd much rather practice focusing on chickens' eyes.  That's a more useful
>> test for the kind of photography I do!  Ferns and peeling paint and rocks
>> that don't move are not my thing ;-) To me, whether the corners are in
>> focus
>> or not is not nearly as important as whether I can get sharp eyes in a
>> moving subject.  With the SL, my hit rate is much higher and getting even
>> higher as I learn to use it.  The real test will be when I take it on a
>> trip.  I'm hoping right now with all of this testing to be able to use the
>> camera automatically without having to stop and think about which button
>> or
>> which wheel to use for the setting I want.  The settings are pretty
>> intuitive but they do take more practice and learning than the M cameras,
>> but not nearly as much as the Fuji ones!!
>>
>> Tina
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:33 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> wrote:
>>
>> > A more useful test is where the subject is near infinity and should be
>> > in focus, see what the corners look like with the 35/2.0, that is
>> > where the SL may be weaker than the M... Tripods are the only way to
>> > do decent A-B testing, that is not real photography ;-)
>> >
>> > john
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> >
>> > I hate tripods.  I did put the camera on the rail of the porch. I'd be
>> > glad to send anybody a full DNG or blow up any section to 100% and post
>> it.
>> > You are probably right about the lens weight; however, I did carry
>> > around a Canon 1DMII with an 85/1.2 lens for over a year before Leica
>> > finally came out with a digital camera.  That combination weighs 2623
>> > grams and is not nearly as easy to handle as the SL and 24-90 at 2095
>> grams.
>> >
>> > Tina
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:24 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > That you could/should have used a tripod to get similar framing ;-)
>> > > You, looking at the DNGs, are the only one who is likely to see a
>> > > real difference..... There will be no native SL lens weighing less
>> > > than twice (more likely 3x) the weight of a 35/2.0....
>> > >
>> > > john
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > >
>> > > I took some photos in the rain to compare the SL with the R19/2.8,
>> > > the SL with the 35/2.0 Summicron and the M240 with the Summicron.
>> > > As I was carrying the cameras out to the deck, I passed the kitchen
>> > > scale so I weighed them.  The SL with no lens weighed 966 grams.
>> > > The M240 with the
>> > > 35/2.0 attached weighed 961 grams, so not a huge difference.
>> > >
>> > > When I attach the M lenses, the SL automatically recognized the
>> > > coded lenses with no further attention from me.  When I attach the R
>> > > lenses, I go to the menu and tell it which R lens is attached.  It
>> > > recognizes the lens but does not record the correct aperture.  I
>> > > know I took several at F/8 and used hyperfocal focusing, but none of
>> > > them came up as having f/8 for the aperture.
>> > >
>> > > The SL is much easier to focus.  I tried out both the magnifying in
>> > > the EVF and the focus peaking.  Both work fine but the magnified EVF
>> > > is much easier to see.  You press the bottom right button once and
>> > > it zooms to 100% in the EVF, press it twice and it zooms to 200%.
>> > > Focus and touch the shutter button and it zooms back out and takes the
>> photo.
>> > >
>> > > With the auto-focus SL lens, there are several focusing formats to
>> > > choose from in the SL and  you can also touch the screen and have it
>> > > focus there or move the toggle switch (they call it the joystick)
>> > > next to the EFG to choose a focus spot.  I find the screen and the
>> > > toggle switch to be easiest and fastest.  But these are all manually
>> > > focused with M and R lenses.
>> > >
>> > > The first one is an experiment with the Noctilux last night using
>> > > the magnified EVF to focus on Tom's eyelashes instead of the glasses
>> frame.
>> > >
>> > > http://www.pbase.com/image/161961923
>> > >
>> > > The next three are straight from the camera as DNGs, converted to
>> > > jpegs as they are exported with no other adjustments.
>> > >
>> > > Leica SL with 19/2.8 Elmarit R:
>> > >
>> > > http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/161961755
>> > >
>> > > Leica SL with 35/2.0 Summicron M:
>> > >
>> > > http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/161961757
>> > >
>> > > Leica M240 with 35/2.0 Summicron M:
>> > >
>> > > http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/161961758
>> > >
>> > > I did some bracketed exposures and merged the photos for HDR with
>> > > each camera and each lens.  These are adjusted for color and exposure:
>> > >
>> > > *http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/leica_sl&page=7
>> > > <http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/leica_sl&page=7>*
>> > >
>> > > The SL will also bracket the 3 exposures as DNGs and make a merged
>> > > jpeg from them automatically.  I found those needed more adjusting
>> > > than making them myself.
>> > >
>> > > What do you think?
>> > >
>> > > Tina
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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