[Leica] New M(246) Outputs 12 bit Files

Thu May 7 14:26:08 PDT 2015

Mark,  definitely the Plainest Vanilla these days (who needs Hydroquinone
in their diet anyway) with an occasional FX2 distraction. I'm also a few
rods short of 14 bit it seems and those 12,288 TDV's won't help one bit let
alone two.  No worries, I can still see a good image when I see one.

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> Christopher 8 bit is when you develop your Tri x in Dektol Paper developer
> because you're in a hurry and you don't care. You just need to make out
> aunt
> Martha's face in the print and you don't feel like going to the camera
> store
> and get more darkroom stuff.
> 12 bit is when you develop it in Plain Vanilla D76 1:1. Its a bit of a
> default.  A lot of film has been developed in D76 1:1.
> 14 bit is when you develop it in a better developer for acutance and long
> range tonality like Rodinal 1:100 or 1:75 or Xtol 1:3.
> It  means you care enough to check out better options to the Norm.
> Not sure who Norm is.
>
>
>
> On 5/6/15 10:39 AM, "Christopher Saganich" <csaganich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My fault for finding this tragedy a bit amusing.
> >
> > On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> They could give  you the option which is common and I have with my D700
> of
> >> 12-bit vs. 14-bit so you can go for speed or quality. I always have it
> set
> >> for all thing quality.
> >>
> >> Richard thanks on that I knew bit depth was not dependent on format it
> just
> >> struck me that the medium format backs give you larger bit depth options
> >> typically. Like 16 bits (65,536 levels per channel).  I don't think
> there
> >> is
> >> 16 bits in 24x26 ff.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/5/15 11:10 PM, "Jim Nichols" <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Wouldn't it also affect write speeds?  What if Leica puts more value on
> >>> speed than on bit depths?
> >>>
> >>> Jim Nichols
> >>> Tullahoma, TN USA
> >>>
> >>> On 5/5/2015 10:04 PM, Doug Herr wrote:
> >>>> Sometimes the published bit depth has more to do with marketing than
> >> anything
> >>>> else.
> >>>>
> >>>> Doug Herr
> >>>> Birdman of Sacramento
> >>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
> >>>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
> >>>>> Sent: May 5, 2015 6:01 PM
> >>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] New M(246) Outputs 12 bit Files
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The "bit-depth" is not dependent on the format. If 12 bits is good
> >> enough
> >>>>> for 35mm sensor, then it would be good enough for medium format
> >> sensor, and
> >>>>> vice versa.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Note that I have not said what I think personally on the technical
> >> merits.
> >>>>> I am just giving out the perspective that the decision is almost
> >> certainly
> >>>>> financial related rather than based on technical analysis.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> 16 bit it says on this phase one achromatic plus monochrome but
> medium
> >>>>>> format seems to have more bits involved or am I wrong?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 5/5/15 8:01 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No doubt PhaseOne came to the same conclusion...
> >>>>>>> http://www.achromaticplus.com/Achromatic_Plus/The_Back.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> not...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Mark Rabiner <
> mark at rabinergroup.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> I think what will happen is they will put two large prints up side
> >> by
> >>>>>> side
> >>>>>>>> one with the old 14 bit camera and the other with the new 12 bit
> >> and the
> >>>>>>>> new
> >>>>>>>> camera will of course blow the old one right out of the water
> these
> >>>>>> people
> >>>>>>>> did not wake up one morning all of a sudden stupid.
> >>>>>>>> The interesting thing will be what the mitigating factors might be
> >> and
> >>>>>> how
> >>>>>>>> they are put in place.
> >>>>>>>> Is bit depth less of an issue with only one channel than three?
> >> (RGB)
> >>>>>>>> Whatever it is the proof will be  in the pudding and they've
> >> already see
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> tasted the  pudding. They'll give us a taste when they get around
> >> to it.
> >>>>>>>> But
> >>>>>>>> I do think plenty of people will be blown over by rather large
> >> glowing
> >>>>>>>> monochrome prints from this camera which will be a life changing
> >>>>>>>> experience.
> >>>>>>>> A new paradigm creating kind of thing. And we'll see those soon.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 5/5/15 12:12 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I don't think you need to sign it. It's open for all to view. A
> >> longer
> >>>>>>>> way
> >>>>>>>>> to get there is:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Go to www.getdpi.com you will see Jono Slacks article about the
> >> new
> >>>>>>>>> Monochrom. Then click on the getDPI Forums.
> >>>>>>>>> Then scroll down to the Leica link
> >>>>>>>>> Post #47 under The New Monochrom - a fine report
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hope this helps...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Steve Barbour <
> >> steve.barbour at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On May 5, 2015, at 8:58 AM, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> This webpage is not available
> >>>>>>>>>> it is available, perhaps you have to sign in some-how.....
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Tina
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Robert Adler <
> rgacpa at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> See post #46 by Jono Slack:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>
> http://www.getdpi.com/forum/leica/54592-new-monochrom-fine-report.html#post
> >>>>>> 63
> >>>>>>>>>> 9690
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Curiouser and curiouser...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bob Adler
> >>>>>>>>>>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
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