[Leica] New M(246) Outputs 12 bit Files

Wed May 6 08:11:02 PDT 2015

The high horses seem to be stampeding in the Big Apple....

Douglas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] New M(246) Outputs 12 bit Files

> Christopher 8 bit is when you develop your Tri x in Dektol Paper developer
> because you're in a hurry and you don't care. You just need to make out 
> aunt
> Martha's face in the print and you don't feel like going to the camera 
> store
> and get more darkroom stuff.
> 12 bit is when you develop it in Plain Vanilla D76 1:1. Its a bit of a
> default.  A lot of film has been developed in D76 1:1.
> 14 bit is when you develop it in a better developer for acutance and long
> range tonality like Rodinal 1:100 or 1:75 or Xtol 1:3.
> It  means you care enough to check out better options to the Norm.
> Not sure who Norm is.
>
>
>
> On 5/6/15 10:39 AM, "Christopher Saganich" <csaganich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My fault for finding this tragedy a bit amusing.
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They could give  you the option which is common and I have with my D700 
>>> of
>>> 12-bit vs. 14-bit so you can go for speed or quality. I always have it 
>>> set
>>> for all thing quality.
>>>
>>> Richard thanks on that I knew bit depth was not dependent on format it 
>>> just
>>> struck me that the medium format backs give you larger bit depth options
>>> typically. Like 16 bits (65,536 levels per channel).  I don't think 
>>> there
>>> is
>>> 16 bits in 24x26 ff.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/5/15 11:10 PM, "Jim Nichols" <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wouldn't it also affect write speeds?  What if Leica puts more value on
>>>> speed than on bit depths?
>>>>
>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>
>>>> On 5/5/2015 10:04 PM, Doug Herr wrote:
>>>>> Sometimes the published bit depth has more to do with marketing than
>>> anything
>>>>> else.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug Herr
>>>>> Birdman of Sacramento
>>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>>>>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>>>>>> Sent: May 5, 2015 6:01 PM
>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] New M(246) Outputs 12 bit Files
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "bit-depth" is not dependent on the format. If 12 bits is good
>>> enough
>>>>>> for 35mm sensor, then it would be good enough for medium format
>>> sensor, and
>>>>>> vice versa.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note that I have not said what I think personally on the technical
>>> merits.
>>>>>> I am just giving out the perspective that the decision is almost
>>> certainly
>>>>>> financial related rather than based on technical analysis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 16 bit it says on this phase one achromatic plus monochrome but 
>>>>>>> medium
>>>>>>> format seems to have more bits involved or am I wrong?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/5/15 8:01 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No doubt PhaseOne came to the same conclusion...
>>>>>>>> http://www.achromaticplus.com/Achromatic_Plus/The_Back.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> not...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Mark Rabiner 
>>>>>>>> <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I think what will happen is they will put two large prints up side
>>> by
>>>>>>> side
>>>>>>>>> one with the old 14 bit camera and the other with the new 12 bit
>>> and the
>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>> camera will of course blow the old one right out of the water 
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>> did not wake up one morning all of a sudden stupid.
>>>>>>>>> The interesting thing will be what the mitigating factors might be
>>> and
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>> they are put in place.
>>>>>>>>> Is bit depth less of an issue with only one channel than three?
>>> (RGB)
>>>>>>>>> Whatever it is the proof will be  in the pudding and they've
>>> already see
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> tasted the  pudding. They'll give us a taste when they get around
>>> to it.
>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>>> I do think plenty of people will be blown over by rather large
>>> glowing
>>>>>>>>> monochrome prints from this camera which will be a life changing
>>>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>>>> A new paradigm creating kind of thing. And we'll see those soon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/5/15 12:12 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think you need to sign it. It's open for all to view. A
>>> longer
>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>> to get there is:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Go to www.getdpi.com you will see Jono Slacks article about the
>>> new
>>>>>>>>>> Monochrom. Then click on the getDPI Forums.
>>>>>>>>>> Then scroll down to the Leica link
>>>>>>>>>> Post #47 under The New Monochrom - a fine report
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Steve Barbour <
>>> steve.barbour at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 5, 2015, at 8:58 AM, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This webpage is not available
>>>>>>>>>>> it is available, perhaps you have to sign in some-how.....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tina
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Robert Adler 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <rgacpa at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> See post #46 by Jono Slack:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> http://www.getdpi.com/forum/leica/54592-new-monochrom-fine-report.html#post
>>>>>>> 63
>>>>>>>>>>> 9690
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Curiouser and curiouser...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com
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