[Leica] WAS OKCLUG etc - NOW "GREAT PRINTERS"

Mon May 4 07:41:34 PDT 2015

The best way to learn is to take part in Print Exchanges - we have an
irregular one going in the LUG, which caters to both digital and darkroom
printing, but has got increasingly rare If you want to do only digital,
here are the links to two I have been participating in since 2004:

B&W - every month -
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DigitalBW-PrintExchanges/info

Colour - every second month -
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DigitalColor-PrintExchanges/info

Cheers
Jayanand

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Peter Dzwig <pdzwig at summaventures.com>
wrote:

> (i) OK Bob, point taken. Title changed
>
> (ii) Gerry I must get to it. What I was thinking about - and trying to get
> a
> discussion going on - was this: I was looking back at AA, Weston,
> Blakemore etc,
> who all had marvelous printers or who created their own great prints.
>
> I have bought a number of books over the years on digital printing by
> various
> authors, with varying reputations, but none seem to get near the abilities
> of
> the classic printers. Is it the medium? Is it possible to achieve the same
> sort
> of results? And if it is possible whose books would LUGers recommend that
> I look at?
>
> Peter
>
> On 04/05/2015 14:24, Gerry Walden wrote:
> > The upcoming Photo London event features platinum prints from the
> ’Genesis’ series by Salgado.Personally, I don’t care how the main
> exhibition prints were made, for me his work and his whole ethos is without
> equal and far above anything I can (or anyone on this list) produce.
> >
> > Gerry
> >
> > Gerry Walden
> > 023 8046 3076
> >
> >> On 3 May 2015, at 17:56, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> With Salgado, from what I have read it is a combination of who and
> what.   He (and/or assistants) work on the digital file to taste, have it
> written to a 35mm or larger film negative and printed in the darkroom on
> silver paper.  In addition, as Jayanand noted, I have read that the Genesis
> exhibition prints were inkjet.  Somewhere in the mix I think
> platinum/palladium contact prints were made too for collectors.
> >>
> >> Ken
> >>
> >> On 5/3/2015 9:16 AM, Peter Dzwig wrote:
> >>> I meant the guy who does the printing, not the Epson or Hp or whatever
> .... ;-)
> >>>
> >>> On 03/05/2015 02:12, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:
> >>>> I do not think it depends on the printer, but the guy doing his
> processing - at least Genesis was totally digital, if I am not mistaken.
> Pushing the Shadows and the Highlights sliders to 100% each will get you
> started in the right direction! :-) Seriously, though, that sort of
> overwrought drama is easily possible with Silver Efex Pro, at least.
> >>>>
> >>>> A large part of the advantage that someone like Salgado has over you
> and me is access - some of the polar photographs in Genesis are taken in
> places that are strictly off limits for mere mortals. The other advantage
> is the ability to hang around as long as it takes to get the shot - but
> that is the difference between a top pro and an amateur...
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> Jayanand
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 03-May-2015, at 04:51, Peter Dzwig <pdzwig at summaventures.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wonder about that too, Bob. I guess it may be due to the printers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So a question to LUGers, who is the best printer out there at the
> moment?
> >>>>> Obviously it depends on taste to some degreee, but I have been
> looking back at
> >>>>> AA, HCB and others and I can't find a similar depth in modern
> digital stuff by
> >>>>> and large.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Peter
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 02/05/2015 16:17, Robert Baron wrote:
> >>>>>> What you all say about his images and prints is valid for
> discussion, but I
> >>>>>> still can't figure out how he (or people working for him) can get
> such wide
> >>>>>> tonal ranges and I can't.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is it an optical illusion?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --Bob
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 2:17 AM, Nathan Wajsman <nwajsman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I saw Genesis in Barcelona in January together with Lluis and my
> friend
> >>>>>>> Lars, and we too were somewhat disappointed. Partly there was the
> issue of
> >>>>>>> the prints being overdone, but my main gripe was the lack of a
> coherent
> >>>>>>> theme—the exhibition is simply too big—and the distance to his
> subjects. In
> >>>>>>> many cases, his approach to the people in the photographs is that
> of a
> >>>>>>> wildlife photographer. Compared to other major bodies of work by
> Salgado,
> >>>>>>> like “Workers”, I found this one below his usual standard.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>> Nathan
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Alicante, Spain
> >>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
> >>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
> >>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
> >>>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> YNWA
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 02 May 2015, at 07:31, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at icloud.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I haven’t seen the film, nor had I heard of it until now but I
> did see
> >>>>>>> the ‘Genesis’ show in Barcelona last year and was simply stunned
> by the
> >>>>>>> imagery and quality of the printing. In my eyes the man is
> probably about
> >>>>>>> the best living photographer at the moment for so many reasons,
> and I saw
> >>>>>>> gazing at prints in sheer awe of his work.
> >>>>>>>> Gerry
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Gerry Walden
> >>>>>>>> 023 8046 3076
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 2 May 2015, at 04:27, Robert Baron <robertbaron1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> His flair for the dramatic is discussed in this long piece
> published in
> >>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>>> Guardian in 2000:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2000/jun/10/photography.art
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I don't think a DVD of Salt of the Earth is available yet but
> I'd be
> >>>>>>>>> surprised if it didn't come out in due time.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ====On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <
> >>>>>>> jayanand at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I would like to buy the DVD. I went to his "Genesis" show in
> London a
> >>>>>>>>>> couple of years ago, and was frankly underwhelmed by the prints
> - they
> >>>>>>> were
> >>>>>>>>>> totally over processed, and in my view, mangled beyond reason
> for
> >>>>>>> maximum
> >>>>>>>>>> drama.
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