[Leica] Another report on the SL

Ted Grant tedgrant at shaw.ca
Tue Dec 29 22:12:37 PST 2015 

Gentlemen & Ladies, about these reviews?
I just look at what their images look like and I figure they either get paid
by LEICA to say the "CORRECT THINGS?" OR? They get a lot of free cameras and
lenses! Do you really look at the CRAP THESE PEOPLE SHOOT???? 99.95% IT'S
PLAIN OUT AND OUT USELESS GARBAGE!

Now before some of you go absolutely crazy with prose in response. Don't you
think a real tester might be someone who has used LEICA's and lenses real
time virtually  every day shooting with LEICA'S in hand in almost every
conceivable photo weather and wild fire conditions from birth to death might
be a "TRUE USER UNDER WHATEVER CONDITIONS POSSIBLE?"  FOR 50 YEARS?"  DAY
AFTER DAY?

Might give an absolutely true assessment than some twit head who twiddles
cameras because he happens to have some kind of connections with buddies at
the LEICA head office! " Or he's kiss - assed with some key people along the
way!

DURING MY WHOLE LIFE IN PHOTOGRAPHY (THAT'S SINCE 27 MAY 1950) RIGHT UP TO
THIS MINUTE SHOOTING REAL ASSIGNMENTS FOR PAYING CLIENTS!  I'VE NEVER EVER
BOTHERED READING ALL THIS TECHIE CRAP ESPOSED TO DO NOTHING BUT SUPPOSEDLY
INFLUENCE EQUIPMENT BUYERS! WHY? Look at their images and what they say is
all "BULL-SH--T!

I bought Leica's because' they were the best as my friends enlightened me
and what I discovered as I developed hundreds upon hundreds of rolls of
film. If one is a techie I suppose it's important to read all this stuff??
Me? 
It has always come down to the "CONTENT" captured as sharp and properly
exposed as possible is the most important! And the people working the gear!

ok rant off! :-)
cheers,
Dr. ted  :-)






-----Original Message-----
From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
Jayanand Govindaraj
Sent: December-29-15 8:51 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] Another report on the SL

Bob,
How many Leica SL do you think they will be renting out compared to
say, a Canon 1DX, or a Nikon D4s, cameras roughly in the same price
range? A ratio of 25:1, or more? These guys will be in a much better
place to take a judgement call about the Nikon or Canon rather than
the Leica. You need to keep in mind as well that he is in the rental
business, and needs to get a return on every bit of equipment he is
invested in, something where I see a conflict of interest with
independent reviews.  Keep these sort of known facts in mind when you
read these reviews if you need to benefit from them. It all finally
boils down to how practical you want to be in deploying your money,
which I presume is finite. If it is infinite, then nothing matters!
Cheers
Jayanand

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Robert Baron <robertbaron1 at gmail.com>
wrote:
> One nice thing about a place like lensrentals.com is that you can rent one
> to try it out:
> http://www.lensrentals.com/rent/leica/cameras/leica-sl-typ-601
>
> Their reviews of equipment are thought to be pretty useful because they
see
> equipment being actually used and then tear it down during routine
> maintenance and can see how it is holding up in the real world.
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Most good "reviewers" are only experts at photographing brick walls
>> and test charts. Esoteric measurements tell us nothing about how a
>> piece of equipment will perform in the real world. Never forget that
>> these guys make a living off these reviews, it is a job for them, not
>> a passion, and what is more, they are stuffed full of bias as well.
>> Better to wait for actual user feedback, especially from those who
>> photograph similar subjects that you do. Even better, get hold of a
>> demo or loaner piece and try it out for yourself! Alternatively, is
>> you have the money burning a hole in your pocket, itching to get out,
>> buy a nice piece of art, or a quality watch/piece of jewellery or some
>> such artifact that can become a family heirloom, they will give you
>> more pleasure in the long run!
>> Cheers
>> Jayanand
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> wrote:
>> > He may be the owner, but he's not a great photographer looking at the
>> > offerings which are prosaic to say the least. A reason to buy - or rent
>> the
>> > SL? No, I think I'll wait and see what Tina can do with it over the
next
>> six
>> > months, as it looks promising - in her hands.
>> >
>> > Douglas
>> > Not a great photographer either!!!
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Duprey" <
>> geneduprey2015 at gmail.com>
>> > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 10:04 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Another report on the SL
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> He is the owner of Lens Rental, I seem to remember.
>> >>
>> >> Gene
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> The key part for me was he had to have just it the SL and not also
his
>> >>> favorite Sony or his other cameras also around to fully realize the
>> >>> assets
>> >>> of the new mirrorless Leica. Otherwise it as just stuff he was less
>> >>> comfortable with.
>> >>> You can't get to know a camera if its just one of a bundle you're
>> >>> reaching
>> >>> for. I think you have to take off on a trip somewhere with just that
>> >>> camera
>> >>> and  use just it.
>> >>>
>> >>> The other thing is if this guy is working in a rental place his view
of
>> >>> the
>> >>> value of cameras is very good. A website called lensrentals.com would
>> >>> seem
>> >>> to be that though its not clear if he works at a lens rental place or
>> >>> not.
>> >>> And would a lens rental place rent SL's. Because I think that. I
think
>> a
>> >>> lens rental place would rent a Leica S minus the L. and he's have a
>> real
>> >>> good opinion on that camera as he's seen them come back from many
jobs.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 12/28/15 1:04 PM, "Robert D. Baron" <robertbaron1 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > I just finished reading that and then wandered over to the LUG and
>> saw
>> >>> your
>> >>> > post. It is an interesting read indeed.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I was at the Washington DC Leica Store a couple of weeks ago and
>> 'tried
>> >>> one
>> >>> > on' for a few minutes.  I think it is what he says it is, but it is
>> not
>> >>> yet
>> >>> > for me due to size and cost.  I'm still happy with my M-P (240) and
>> in
>> >>> > addition as a carry around I picked up a used X (113) which is not
>> as >
>> >>> > bad
>> >>> > as you might be led to believe by its size and price.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > --Bob
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Akhil Lal <alal at nyu.edu> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2015/12/leica-sl-a-hatelove-story
>> >>> >>
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