[Leica] Trade in my M9? (RICHARD MAN)

Richard Man richard at richardmanphoto.com
Mon Dec 8 00:44:57 PST 2014 

Actually, it really is quite simple: if you can afford it, then it is
worthwhile. Otherwise, it's not :-)

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Nothing wrong with saying whether you think the upgrade is worthwhile if
> that is what you want.
> What I did was say these are the improvements that were worthwhile for ME.
> Just facts and no opinion on whether the change is worthwhile for Leland.
> Not for you and not for Nathan, that is fine.
> I'm not an enabler. I can provide facts and I know my Leica gear which I
> use a lot. The importance and priorities are entirely what each of us
> choose.
>
>
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>
> On 8 December 2014 at 17:01, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Geoff, I am just "throwing cold water." I can be an enabler too, but I
> > suspect when people ask that kind of question, their mind is made up
> > already so cold water has no effect anyway :-)
> >
> > As for 10%, just a number I made up, but honestly, I am talking the # of
> > "keeper images" and if someone says a M240 improves their keepers by more
> > than 10% from an M9, I would like to see that :-)
> >
> > What you quoted are technical mumbo-jumbo, which does not make better
> > images, may be except as psychological "wow, I now have the M240, I must
> > make good images!"
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Ted here is the KISS summary.
> > > Yep content is everything. Both cameras can make great or cr*p photos.
> > > It is a better Leica than the one it replaced.
> > > Whether the differences matter for an individual is up to them.
> > >
> > > Richard I get your basic theme, but
> > > I'm not sure how you measured that there is a 10% difference in the
> > images
> > > though!
> > > !0% faster , brighter, sharper, less calories, what???!!!
> > >
> > > For fun here are some other percentages for you ;-)
> > > It is 50% faster, 33% higher pixel count, 100% better noise
> performance.
> > > Quieter, better built, better RF you will have to run your own numbers
> > ;-)
> > > I have no idea on current used prices for the M9 there. I understand
> that
> > > there are discounts from US Dealers currently.
> > > The M is available for maybe $1000 at least less here than say 12
> months
> > > ago and is much cheaper than the Monochrom for example..
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Geoff
> > > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> > >
> > > On 8 December 2014 at 15:28, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes, let he images speak for themselves :-)
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Richard,
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's what "I MISS THE MOST FROM THOSE GREAT OLD DAYS!"
> > > > >
> > > > > "KISS!" We took photos, made nice prints and it was all about
> "LEICA
> > > > > CAMERAS!" GOOD, BAD, OR UGLY? Rarely the last two as we were all
> > Leica
> > > > > photographers and not the mixture of almost every crappy over
> techie
> > > > gizmo
> > > > > referred to as a :Super whiz-bang camera machine of today? That one
> > > must
> > > > > nearly be a graduate of MIT to understand what the hell all the
> > > > > indescribable words mean?"
> > > > >
> > > > > In the good old days it was 99.9% about the QUALITY OF THE "WET
> TRAY
> > > > > print!"
> > > > > Or the most important??????????
> > > > >
> > > > > "THE CONTENT WITHIN THE BORDERLINES!"
> > > > >
> > > > > It doesn't get much more KISS than that?
> > > > > That's what I miss most!
> > > > >
> > > > > cheers,
> > > > > ted
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On
> > > > Behalf
> > > > > Of
> > > > > Richard Man
> > > > > Sent: December-07-14 5:53 PM
> > > > > To: Leica Users Group
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Trade in my M9?
> > > > >
> > > > > I miss the "good ol' days" when people argue about the smoothness
> of
> > > the
> > > > > brass ratchet vs. the cheap metal used in M6 etc. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Or how some Leica M-film is 1 mm higher than the other models and
> how
> > > > that
> > > > > ruins the experience.
> > > > >
> > > > > OK, no, I do not miss those days.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Richard Man <
> > > richard at richardmanphoto.com
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Did you read my 10% reply to Sue? Basically, at best, the M240
> may
> > > get
> > > > > you
> > > > > > 10% better photos. How many photos are you happy with now? Lets
> see
> > > > it's
> > > > > 10
> > > > > > out of 100. With the M240, you get... 11 photos.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is it worth it to sell the M9 for $4000-$4500 and gte an M240 for
> > > that
> > > > > > extra photo? You shall be the judge.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But there is nothing against people wanting the next best thing,
> > > so....
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Leland Deane <lmdmd at att.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> OK, so I'm a fairly happy M9 guy (see attached) and it's done
> well
> > > by
> > > > me
> > > > > >> but M9's are doing well on the used market and I have considered
> > > > trading
> > > > > >> in/selling to get the M240. So....I need the honest and august
> > > > opinions
> > > > > of
> > > > > >> this great group to tell me if I'm crazy. I am all about the
> > sensor
> > > > > quality
> > > > > >> and do not in particular need 'live view' (have that on my Canon
> > 5D
> > > > mark
> > > > > >> III) or video capabilities. For those of you with both or who
> have
> > > had
> > > > > >> both, please give me your impressions of one vs. the other.
> > > > > >> Much appreciated.
> > > > > >> Recent photo of my kids attached---lightly processed in CC (view
> > > > large)
> > > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > > >> Leland
> > > > > >>
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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